ForssAwakens
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Don’t come here with you objective opinions
You have to subjective and call wilder a cbomb pr1ck or whatever else people have been mustering up
Wilder Putting Himself out there again
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You have to subjective and call wilder a cbomb pr1ck or whatever else people have been mustering up
ForssAwakens
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There was a sense on this board that we had come out of games being on the wrong side of luck
Way_Out_West
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Objective opinions?
Anyway, you can know the facts about his time here, results etc, and acknowledge that there were undoubtedly some good moments, and still have an opinion on the character of the man from his words and actions. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
Glover_elbow
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I disliked wilder even before he came always thought of him as a arrogant so and so from his sheff utd days.
Johngannonsunderpants
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I was told at the time of the Burnley link by someone 'ITK' that it was a fact that he was interested and the club were very unhappy. I ignored it and came on here in his defence saying he wasn't denying the link as it called his principles and character into question. That was my opinion at the time and I was wrong. I was duped and it's why I will use words such as sly and odious because that's what he is.
festa5
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I agree and I think that was right. However the longer it went on the more players heads seemed to drop and he didn't seem to be able to help pick the players up.
If anything he seemed to make matters worse by doing things like subbing Fry at half time (twice) calling out Dijksteel and Bola and insisting there was no-one in the academy "anywhere near ready yet".
I'm not sure publicly moaning about recruitment to the level he did helped either, hardly a confidence boost for the players he did have.
And then Burnley. Scott has confirmed there was something in that.
So yeah, we had a great start under him, looked good.
Terrible end to that season, not helped by his bizarre striker selection policy and him sniffing around the Burnley job.
Unlucky start to this season in a few games, but then toys out of the pram and starts blaming recruitment.
I mean, it's not unreasonable people are pulling to shreds an interview he's done where he's essentially claiming nothing was his fault and implying he's on a similar level to the likes of Klopp is it?
TheYorkshireTerrier
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Brilliant post.
Expat Smoggie
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It’s quite a joke reading this long winded nonsense. Wilder needs to eat some humble pie and go back to the place where he belongs— League 1 or 2, even then it’s a stretch if he’d be trusted.
newyddion
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I now how Jimi Hendrix must have felt hearing Bob Dylan play ‘all along the watchtower’ for the first time!
Thank you Morton94.. thank you!
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Piccadilly Day Tripper
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I think he did say he got it wrong after we drew 2-2 at Stoke when they got a last gasp equaliser but I agree with the rest. I've said it a lot on here that he was his own worst enemy speaking to the press immediately after a match. Hey ho.
Redwurzel
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I am not saying Wilder was great, but we got 70 points last season and got more points per game under Wilder than Warnock during that season. I haven't done the maths but I would guess we probably would just have made the top 6 if Wilder had managed all season. The cup games were great, but they affected our league form in April (only 10 points from 7 games, 4 of which were home games).
This season early on we were not getting the results we deserved in some games, specifically some of the away games. Akpom's injury cost us points too.
This season early on we were not getting the results we deserved in some games, specifically some of the away games. Akpom's injury cost us points too.
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r00fie1
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A reminder of what he said in public
From
23rd November 2021
Beyond our Wilderest Dreams.....
From the Hot Seat:
Latest update form Chris Wilder`s media conference on Monday 22nd November. Here, Chris answers some questions about the challenges facing players and his plans for transfers in January.
Boro's January plan, making use of contacts & challenge to players
Chris Wilder talks at length about how Boro will approach the January transfer window
www.gazettelive.co.uk
Middlesbrough's January plan, making use of contacts & challenge to players already at club
Chris Wilder talks at length about how Boro will approach the January transfer window
Chris Wilder already knows who and what he wants in the January transfer window and is "really excited" about how his Boro squad could look.
Wilder believes his contacts and Kieran Scott's superb recruitment record stands Boro in good stead not just in January but for many windows to come.
And while he admits exits are likely in the winter window, he has issued a challenge to his current players: Prove to me you should be part of the long-term plan.
Wilder's immediate focus is obviously the coming stretch of games in the Championship, with the boss still very much targeting a top six push this term. But since they first met to discuss his Boro appointment, Wilder and Scott have had an eye on January and how they will strengthen the squad.
Not for the first time, Wilder hinted that he could look at the Premier League loan market, with the boss having added to his already bulky contact book during his time in the top flight with Sheffield United.
He obviously wouldn't reveal his targets, but Wilder admitted that he already has specific players in mind for the roles he believes need filling.
“We’ve got position-specific targets, and they’ve got to fill what I believe those positions need. Out of respect, I’m not going to start naming players, and I won’t even name positions, but we are certainly targeting people, and you’re doing your work," said the manager.
"Kieran’s work is very important in this process. He’s had fabulous success in the past in terms of his work at Burnley, which went unnoticed regarding the promotion from the Championship to the Premier League, and then two more promotion successes for Norwich City as well. His ambition is obviously to continue that work, and I’m working very closely with him.
"That’s a lot of the work I’m doing at the moment. Obviously, there’s work on the training ground with myself and Alan (Knill), there’s the physical work we need to be putting into the players, which is difficult with a three-game week, but we’re also taking a medium-term look of how we want it to look in January. We’re really excited about how it could look.
"I do believe this is an attractive place for players to come as well, whether they’re young loan players, which is important – we target that market and have great contacts – or whether it’s the other market (permanent signings) as well to make us better. It’s really important that we get players in that fit the style and fit the system."
Kieran Scott watches on at the Riverside (Image: CameraSport - Mick Walker)
On his wealth of contacts, Wilder continued: “They come from over 20 years. There’s no snobbery in terms of where I get the players from, as you’ve seen in the past. I took a boy of League Two who wasn’t getting a game, on a free transfer, and he turned out to be one of my best signings. It’s a wealth of contacts, a wealth of experience between the coaching staff, myself and Alan and Kieran, and definitely contacts out of the Premier League.
"We went about our business the right way (at Sheffield United), respectful of who we were playing against, and it was a great experience for two years. We met some fabulous guys that I’m sure will look now, with myself and Alan coming into Middlesbrough, and Kieran as well, and say, ‘Yeah, I don’t mind sending my young players there because I know what they’re going to get and I know how they’re going to be treated’. Then you’ve got the facilities, ground, support – and everything that’s attached to this football club. We’ll look after the players, and make their players better, which we have done in the past."
Although Wilder and Scott hadn't previously worked together before linking up on Teesside the manager has long been aware of Boro's head of football.
“We (him and Scott) crossed over a bit in terms of recruitment, with players he got that I was after previously or that my recruitment team signed and he was after," said Wilder.
"It’s a similar sort of mindset, and a similar idea of how we want the players to look, from every mindset and every angle. It’s a healthy environment. I’m going to ask the question to make the club better, I am. 24-7. I’m going to voice my opinion, not in an arrogant way, but I am because I want us all to be better.
"Every aspect of this football club, I want to raise the bar with. That’s what I’ve always tried to do. There’ll be fall-outs, and there’ll be disagreements, I understand that. Through myself, Neil Bausor, Kieran and the owner, we’re all after the same result. We’ll all have different ways of going about it, and different opinions. I’ll respect theirs, and I’m sure they’ll respect mine, because it’s an honest one, and it’s to make the club better."
To make room for the January arrivals, Wilder admits players will leave Boro in the coming window but what he hasn't done is come to any immediate conclusions on who those departing players will be. And even if he does have early doubts about some, they can soon change his mind.
He said: “First impressions are huge, and that applies to my impression on them as well as there’s on me. I’m all eyes, I’m all ears, and I’m looking all the time. I’m watching their attitude and what they bring to the football club in loads of different areas. I’m going to be making changes, but I’d be delighted if there’s someone in the group that from a distance I think might not fit, but then that all of a sudden, they do things to make me change my mind.
"It happens. It’s happened at previous clubs, and it’ll happen here. It’s over to the players to catch our eye. We have a staff meeting every day, and we’ll come in and talk about our opinion of people. We reflect every day. Who’s caught the eye, how have they been, what’s that player been like through the week? We’re always talking and assessing.
"We don’t have to make any kneejerk reactions because of the six weeks we’ve got, but we will be forming a view and I already have a view on certain things. I’ve looked back and seen a lot of the games, and already know a lot of the players because of the division that I’ve worked in."
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* just compare to Michael Carrick`s calm, pragmatic and considered approach.
From
23rd November 2021
Beyond our Wilderest Dreams.....
From the Hot Seat:
Latest update form Chris Wilder`s media conference on Monday 22nd November. Here, Chris answers some questions about the challenges facing players and his plans for transfers in January.
Boro's January plan, making use of contacts & challenge to players
Chris Wilder talks at length about how Boro will approach the January transfer window
www.gazettelive.co.uk
Middlesbrough's January plan, making use of contacts & challenge to players already at club
Chris Wilder talks at length about how Boro will approach the January transfer window
Chris Wilder already knows who and what he wants in the January transfer window and is "really excited" about how his Boro squad could look.
Wilder believes his contacts and Kieran Scott's superb recruitment record stands Boro in good stead not just in January but for many windows to come.
And while he admits exits are likely in the winter window, he has issued a challenge to his current players: Prove to me you should be part of the long-term plan.
Wilder's immediate focus is obviously the coming stretch of games in the Championship, with the boss still very much targeting a top six push this term. But since they first met to discuss his Boro appointment, Wilder and Scott have had an eye on January and how they will strengthen the squad.
Not for the first time, Wilder hinted that he could look at the Premier League loan market, with the boss having added to his already bulky contact book during his time in the top flight with Sheffield United.
He obviously wouldn't reveal his targets, but Wilder admitted that he already has specific players in mind for the roles he believes need filling.
“We’ve got position-specific targets, and they’ve got to fill what I believe those positions need. Out of respect, I’m not going to start naming players, and I won’t even name positions, but we are certainly targeting people, and you’re doing your work," said the manager.
"Kieran’s work is very important in this process. He’s had fabulous success in the past in terms of his work at Burnley, which went unnoticed regarding the promotion from the Championship to the Premier League, and then two more promotion successes for Norwich City as well. His ambition is obviously to continue that work, and I’m working very closely with him.
"That’s a lot of the work I’m doing at the moment. Obviously, there’s work on the training ground with myself and Alan (Knill), there’s the physical work we need to be putting into the players, which is difficult with a three-game week, but we’re also taking a medium-term look of how we want it to look in January. We’re really excited about how it could look.
"I do believe this is an attractive place for players to come as well, whether they’re young loan players, which is important – we target that market and have great contacts – or whether it’s the other market (permanent signings) as well to make us better. It’s really important that we get players in that fit the style and fit the system."
Kieran Scott watches on at the Riverside (Image: CameraSport - Mick Walker)
On his wealth of contacts, Wilder continued: “They come from over 20 years. There’s no snobbery in terms of where I get the players from, as you’ve seen in the past. I took a boy of League Two who wasn’t getting a game, on a free transfer, and he turned out to be one of my best signings. It’s a wealth of contacts, a wealth of experience between the coaching staff, myself and Alan and Kieran, and definitely contacts out of the Premier League.
"We went about our business the right way (at Sheffield United), respectful of who we were playing against, and it was a great experience for two years. We met some fabulous guys that I’m sure will look now, with myself and Alan coming into Middlesbrough, and Kieran as well, and say, ‘Yeah, I don’t mind sending my young players there because I know what they’re going to get and I know how they’re going to be treated’. Then you’ve got the facilities, ground, support – and everything that’s attached to this football club. We’ll look after the players, and make their players better, which we have done in the past."
Although Wilder and Scott hadn't previously worked together before linking up on Teesside the manager has long been aware of Boro's head of football.
“We (him and Scott) crossed over a bit in terms of recruitment, with players he got that I was after previously or that my recruitment team signed and he was after," said Wilder.
"It’s a similar sort of mindset, and a similar idea of how we want the players to look, from every mindset and every angle. It’s a healthy environment. I’m going to ask the question to make the club better, I am. 24-7. I’m going to voice my opinion, not in an arrogant way, but I am because I want us all to be better.
"Every aspect of this football club, I want to raise the bar with. That’s what I’ve always tried to do. There’ll be fall-outs, and there’ll be disagreements, I understand that. Through myself, Neil Bausor, Kieran and the owner, we’re all after the same result. We’ll all have different ways of going about it, and different opinions. I’ll respect theirs, and I’m sure they’ll respect mine, because it’s an honest one, and it’s to make the club better."
To make room for the January arrivals, Wilder admits players will leave Boro in the coming window but what he hasn't done is come to any immediate conclusions on who those departing players will be. And even if he does have early doubts about some, they can soon change his mind.
He said: “First impressions are huge, and that applies to my impression on them as well as there’s on me. I’m all eyes, I’m all ears, and I’m looking all the time. I’m watching their attitude and what they bring to the football club in loads of different areas. I’m going to be making changes, but I’d be delighted if there’s someone in the group that from a distance I think might not fit, but then that all of a sudden, they do things to make me change my mind.
"It happens. It’s happened at previous clubs, and it’ll happen here. It’s over to the players to catch our eye. We have a staff meeting every day, and we’ll come in and talk about our opinion of people. We reflect every day. Who’s caught the eye, how have they been, what’s that player been like through the week? We’re always talking and assessing.
"We don’t have to make any kneejerk reactions because of the six weeks we’ve got, but we will be forming a view and I already have a view on certain things. I’ve looked back and seen a lot of the games, and already know a lot of the players because of the division that I’ve worked in."
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* just compare to Michael Carrick`s calm, pragmatic and considered approach.
newyddion
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Warnock improved us by 7 places and 11 points (after saving us from relegation)
Wilder with Warnock’s fully fit squad brought a 3 place and 6 point improvement on the season before.. dropped off completely at the end of the season snd handed us our record worst ever start to any season.
He slagged the players, fans, recruitment..
r00fie1
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Just flipping back, through all the old match-day threads, chronologising his change in attitude and bitterness towards the club, the recruitment team and then the players. It seems obvious now how he was on the slippery slope. Losing the players, deflecting responsibility from his own shoulders. He rode on his reputation. He let his ego over-ride objective judgement and effectively signed his own exit visa.
There is a positive from all the bullschitt - he opened the door to Michael Carrick!
r00fie1
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Win rate or not.
He turned out to be a bitter egotist whose own over-inflated sense of his own self-importance, meant more than the club, the players or us fans. He took the pss. I genuinely thought he was the ideal fit and defended him - even when things started to fall apart - but I was wrong.
Recently, he gave his opinion on radio of who would be in and around the top six in the champo by the end of the season?
Boro didnt even get a mention.
Stick it ! Mr Wilder!
He turned out to be a bitter egotist whose own over-inflated sense of his own self-importance, meant more than the club, the players or us fans. He took the pss. I genuinely thought he was the ideal fit and defended him - even when things started to fall apart - but I was wrong.
Recently, he gave his opinion on radio of who would be in and around the top six in the champo by the end of the season?
Boro didnt even get a mention.
Stick it ! Mr Wilder!
Angelofayresome
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Not good at his job
newyddion
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6 years at Halifax - west riding county cup
6 years at Oxford - conference playoffs
2 years at Northampton - league two
5 years at Sheffield - league one & champo
11 months at boro - total knob
4 promotions in 22 years, jumped out of two relegations..
Surprised to hear he turned down the Portsmouth job tbh Charlton? Lincoln City?
NoloBoro
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You can’t deny, it started out well. Was so promising. It’s no coincidence whatsoever that his demise at our great club started when he was linked with other jobs. All that nonsense about being here for the long term, about how he wanted to build something.
He was found out, tactically naive and unable to adapt.
Additionally, he always come across as a bit of a pr*ck.
I sat watching the itv highlight show the other night showing the Watford game and saw Carrick being interviewed by Michael Brown and the other pundit, the comparison with Wilder interviews was night and day. Our new manager come across as enthusiastic, knowledgeable, polite and humble. It wasn’t all about him, he gave credit to the players, he was so open by comparison to Wilder. A real ambassador for the club.
I don’t wish Wilder any Ill will but I never warmed to him. It’s my opinion that the way he treated us has really damaged his reputation.
He was found out, tactically naive and unable to adapt.
Additionally, he always come across as a bit of a pr*ck.
I sat watching the itv highlight show the other night showing the Watford game and saw Carrick being interviewed by Michael Brown and the other pundit, the comparison with Wilder interviews was night and day. Our new manager come across as enthusiastic, knowledgeable, polite and humble. It wasn’t all about him, he gave credit to the players, he was so open by comparison to Wilder. A real ambassador for the club.
I don’t wish Wilder any Ill will but I never warmed to him. It’s my opinion that the way he treated us has really damaged his reputation.