ForssAwakens
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There was a sense on this board that we had come out of games being on the wrong side of luckThis is true. The problem is he didn’t manage them very well.
There was a sense on this board that we had come out of games being on the wrong side of luckThis is true. The problem is he didn’t manage them very well.
Objective opinions?Don’t come here with you objective opinions
You have to subjective and call wilder a cbomb pr1ck or whatever else people have been mustering up
I agree and I think that was right. However the longer it went on the more players heads seemed to drop and he didn't seem to be able to help pick the players up.There was a sense on this board that we had come out of games being on the wrong side of luck
Brilliant post.Chris.. you were given
Man City's number 2
Blackburn's Captain
The best LWB in the league
Ex Huddersfield captain
A midfielder who orchestrated bloody Barnsley making the play offs
A finish international with double figures in a play off success
A USA international with 6 goals in the bundesliga
A young Brazilian with promotion on his CV
A defender who's won POTY 3 times
League 2's best Goalkeeper
That is hardly a disastrous list.
5 of those are permanent fixtures of our side. And all are key.
Mowatt, Roberts, Muniz and Clarke (if he's ever fit again) are players were happy to have in our squad.
You were given Flo Balogun and you dropped him for Aaron Connolly. The same Flo Balogun absolutely tearing it up in the French league and who Arsenal think is worth 40k a week.
You constantly tried to make players play your 5-3-2.
Clarke and Fry can not overlap.
Mcgree should never have been in a deep CM role.
You scoff that it's not your tactics, how could it be, you're a tactical Jesus
You continously threw players under the bus
Dijksteel, Fry, Bola, Jones all got it.
Neil Warnock built your foundations, he believed in the squad, he was popular with fans and the players. Ultimately we shouldn't have gave him a new deal if we wanted longer term and he was treated terribly but he left with our respect and love. Humility and our gratitude.
You referred to him as 'The last manager' how disrespectful can you be
You are not Pep, You are not Klopp. You fluked one decent season in the PL then when you got sussed you finished bottom. Your ex chairman called you and your media darling persona out.
Kieran Scott called you out. You wanted out the first opportunity you got.
A rookie manager has got a tune out of your squad, the squad that every man and his dog said would be top 6 at least. Guess where they are now? 3rd!
You left them in a good place? We were 22nd, morale on the deck, Leo had to pick them up and get them realising you're not that bad, Carrick took over that mantle after him.
The fans can't stand you.
We like Warnock, we like Woody. We like karanka, we like Southgate. They've all admitted they made mistakes and remain popular.
You, Monk, Pulis, Strachan can all do one
Some illustrious company there.
You'll be in league one next, or SPL. You're a genius.
Cardiff, QPR, Blackpool, Stoke and many others have already turned their nose up at you.
Truly horrific me, me. Me attitude. Chairmen will call Gibbo and he'll tell them exactly how you are. I wouldn't be turning your nose up at teams like Portsmouth though, you'll be lucky to get better
I now how Jimi Hendrix must have felt hearing Bob Dylan play ‘all along the watchtower’ for the first time!Chris.. you were given
Man City's number 2
Blackburn's Captain
The best LWB in the league
Ex Huddersfield captain
A midfielder who orchestrated bloody Barnsley making the play offs
A finish international with double figures in a play off success
A USA international with 6 goals in the bundesliga
A young Brazilian with promotion on his CV
A defender who's won POTY 3 times
League 2's best Goalkeeper
That is hardly a disastrous list.
5 of those are permanent fixtures of our side. And all are key.
Mowatt, Roberts, Muniz and Clarke (if he's ever fit again) are players were happy to have in our squad.
You were given Flo Balogun and you dropped him for Aaron Connolly. The same Flo Balogun absolutely tearing it up in the French league and who Arsenal think is worth 40k a week.
You constantly tried to make players play your 5-3-2.
Clarke and Fry can not overlap.
Mcgree should never have been in a deep CM role.
You scoff that it's not your tactics, how could it be, you're a tactical Jesus
You continously threw players under the bus
Dijksteel, Fry, Bola, Jones all got it.
Neil Warnock built your foundations, he believed in the squad, he was popular with fans and the players. Ultimately we shouldn't have gave him a new deal if we wanted longer term and he was treated terribly but he left with our respect and love. Humility and our gratitude.
You referred to him as 'The last manager' how disrespectful can you be
You are not Pep, You are not Klopp. You fluked one decent season in the PL then when you got sussed you finished bottom. Your ex chairman called you and your media darling persona out.
Kieran Scott called you out. You wanted out the first opportunity you got.
A rookie manager has got a tune out of your squad, the squad that every man and his dog said would be top 6 at least. Guess where they are now? 3rd!
You left them in a good place? We were 22nd, morale on the deck, Leo had to pick them up and get them realising you're not that bad, Carrick took over that mantle after him.
The fans can't stand you.
We like Warnock, we like Woody. We like karanka, we like Southgate. They've all admitted they made mistakes and remain popular.
You, Monk, Pulis, Strachan can all do one
Some illustrious company there.
You'll be in league one next, or SPL. You're a genius.
Cardiff, QPR, Blackpool, Stoke and many others have already turned their nose up at you.
Truly horrific me, me. Me attitude. Chairmen will call Gibbo and he'll tell them exactly how you are. I wouldn't be turning your nose up at teams like Portsmouth though, you'll be lucky to get better
I think he did say he got it wrong after we drew 2-2 at Stoke when they got a last gasp equaliser but I agree with the rest. I've said it a lot on here that he was his own worst enemy speaking to the press immediately after a match. Hey ho.Nothing much more to add after Morton94 and Big_Nothing. Sums up his tenure very well.
I personally don't dislike Wilder, I've never met him, but from a fans perspective he's a bit of a charlatan. Continually patting himself on the back, putting himself on a pedestal, always someone else's fault. Never once put his hands up and said "aye, got that wrong". Bad trait in a person not admitting you're wrong. I think if he did, a lot of fans wouldn't be so hostile towards him.
But, he's gone, it was a strange 10 months - promised so much but ultimately ended in pretty abject failure.
And what can he take away from his Middlesbrough experience - don't f*ck with Gibson. Right or wrong, never ends well for his opponents.
Warnock improved us by 7 places and 11 points (after saving us from relegation)I am not saying Wilder was great, but we got 70 points last season and got more points per game under Wilder than Warnock during that season. I haven't done the maths but I would guess we probably would just have made the top 6 if Wilder had managed all season. The cup games were great, but they affected our league form in April (only 10 points from 7 games, 4 of which were home games).
This season we were not getting the results we deserved in some games, specifically some of the away games. Akpom's injury cost us points too.
Just flipping back, through all the old match-day threads, chronologising his change in attitude and bitterness towards the club, the recruitment team and then the players. It seems obvious now how he was on the slippery slope. Losing the players, deflecting responsibility from his own shoulders. He rode on his reputation. He let his ego over-ride objective judgement and effectively signed his own exit visa.Warnock improved us by 7 places and 11 points (after saving us from relegation)
Wilder with Warnock’s fully fit squad brought a 3 place and 6 point improvement on the season before.. dropped off completely at the end of the season snd handed us our record worst ever start to any season.
He slagged the players, fans, recruitment..
Carrick is doing a better job than Wilder, but Wilder's long term record as a manager over approx 12 years is a 43.5% win rate.
Warnock's is 40.1%
Pulis is 36.1%
Mowbray is 41.4%
You don't get a long term win rate of 43.5% if you are poor.