Wilder has a blind spot with Connolly

[Adi_Dem]

You continue with your abuse calling names, bullying behaviour but you think you are some white knight. You stand by calling someone a d*(head on a messageboard, that shows no remorse, no self awareness. You feel justified in behaving that way, I find it childish and immature.

Well, opening up with 'word salad' is clearly an insightful way to start any post and will immediately set the tone. But I will repeat. Instead of just making wild accusations please point me to anything prior to your insults (which I see you're trying to deny) whcih could possibly be construed as bullying, insulting or anything like that. Please also tell me where I abused or bullied Steve. I have asked that several times now so please point me to it.

Bottom line here is we disagree on a football thread. I didn't call you specifically out for being analytically lazy, I said some people are. You took umbrage with that, but you'd already shown yourself to be emotional on this subject with others before I interjected.

It is self evident from the thread which of us is getting emotional here. I didn't say you were specifically calling me analytically lazy. I made a general observation about the tone of your post which has been eloquently summarised by indeedido. I am completely without emotion on the subject of Connolly. We disagree and that really isn't a problem for me but it very clearly is for you. This thread refers.

I stand by you throwing the statement 'he offers nothing' and 'offers nothing in every single game he plays', is analytically lazy. It's a superficial analysis of his game play. That isn't an insult, some people think deeper on subjects than others, it isn't labelling someone as thick, just some are not that interested in looking beyond the superficial for a variety of reasons. They may not have the time, may let emotion cloud their judgement, they may not have the knowledge or experience. I'm no 'expert' but I do have a bank of knowledge having trained youths for 12 years, been on courses, workshops, read text books. I've invested quite a lot into it. Now I don't get every call right, but I shouldn't play down my investment in learning the nuances of the game. I'm anti anti-expert. I value knowledge, I value experience and I'm not going to apologise for that. If you or anyone else is intimidated by that, then the response is you have the opportunity in life to learn more, if that's what you value. Don't whine because someone else has put the effort in to get accreditations, to learn, put their own money into going on courses. Who knows you could even learn something from me if you were open minded enough.

To present that paragraph as not being insulting is frankly absent any empathy or self awareness at all. What is interesting though is how hypocritical you are. On the Derby thread I spelled out the law on causation and explained why in my expert professional opinion it was likely (not certainly but likely) in the context of what was in the public domain to fail at court if the legal arguments were ever tested. You got very emotional and it very much clouded the discussion which once again became quite personal on your part (once again bringing up old threads designed solely to embarrass and mock me). You then went on to challenge my expert view with what can only be described as a google law degree nonsense on very specific points around the law of causation. I simply pointed out that you were wrong. Because you were. So on that occasion you were very, very anti-expert and in fact it made you really rather angry and it manifested in the same sort of condescending, insulting word salad you now offer here. You think I am whining because you put time and money into football accreditations and that I should learn from you? The arrogance is utterly astounding.

This is a football messageboard. I don't have time to set out a thesis on why I think Connolly is woeful. Moreover I don't need to. It's a messageboard. And to take such umbrage with a phrase like 'he offers nothing' on a bloody football messageboard is frankly ridiculous.

If you ever offered an olive branch, I certainly haven't seen one and your continuation on this thread to stand by your insults isn't an olive branch. Mine was earlier in this thread. But I'll offer you one again, I'm not angry with you despite the petty insults, I'm not emotional despite your amateur psychology...I'll get a pyschologist for that, I'm asssuming you haven't invested your time in this domain. We both love the boro, and we're not in competition with each other, this isn't an intellectual ******* contest. I'd like you to ruminate over how this started and ask yourself does any footballer truly offer zero, in every single appearance? Were your comments a little over the top, does someone have the right to challenge that? I have accepted many times that connolly hasn't got the goals we hoped, but you absolutely should not measure a player purely on one metric, or even quantifiable metrics alone. That goes for most things in life, lies damned lies and statistics is a true adage.

There is no 'if'. I offered it on the Derby thread. Another poster tagged you to look at it. It was ignored. In any event it is now firmly withdrawn. You haven't offered any such olive branch here and instead have doubled down on everything you have said. You are clearly angry and emotional. It pours off the page. I absolutely know we aren't in competition with each other but you completely misunderstood and continue to misunderstand the problem here. At no stage whatsoever did I have any problem with your opinion or you challenging my view that he is very very poor. You've somehow managed to convince yourself that I am the one that has the difficulty accepting an alternative view but actually this started and continues because you very clearly made derogatory comments about people having a different view than yours before then going after me. It's that simple.

It's interesting what you say about measuring a player on one metric though since there's a certain hypocrisy in that you judged Uche precisely on that basis:

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Iirc some thought he would be a 15 goal striker generally the same ones that think that Warnockball is a tactic fit for the 2021 championship

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In fact, you said "Yeah I think about 10 at a push, but that would hinder not help us. It's like when people were saying Britt was important to us as our top scorer on 10-14 goals, in reality he was holding us back."

Very odd.

I WILL reflect on this thread, I'm man enough to do that. My recommendation is that you do too, and honestly ask if you could or should have behaved better, if you were right to be abusive and to stand by that abuse and to if you can improve yourself? Your umbrage really comes from me saying it's rediculous to claim a footballer offers zero in every single game he plays. That's the kindle that lit this anger in you. Is that a fair claim by me, and was it a fair reaction by you? It isn't calling you rediculous, simply the idea of absolutes in analysing a footballer.

I hope you do but if this post is anything to go by it seems unlikely that you will move an inch. In answer to your question I have already reflected on it. I have re-read it several times as I have the Derby thread. I have nothing to apologise for or to change. This is all on you and your approach. When you start questioning someone's mental health, bringing up stuff designed solely to embarrass and belittle, claim that somehow this thread was designed specifically as a red rag for you and hold your own view up as 'better' than others then I'm afraid you're going to get called a d*ckhead.

As I have already described my 'umbrage' (and I am not angry in any way) came not from you having a different view but rather your entire approach which other posters have also spotted, which essentially said 'I know best because you lot are analytically lazy, silly and ridiculous'. When I pulled you up on it you've basically lost the plot and started being quite vicious.

 

[SuperStu]

Go on Mart I'm interested in learning. What does AC do so well then? What should I/others be looking out for on Friday?

Please don't just say "closing down" or "works hard". That would be very underwhelming!

 

[BoroMart]

There’s plenty of people who have years of experience and do plenty of courses who gets things wrong. It doesn’t validate your opinion over someone else and give you the right to say they are wrong, ridiculous, silly.

as I suspected, you are are anti-expert. Because you watch Holby City?

Do you know more than a doctor about your health, no. So why do you think you know more than someone with qualifications and experience in football?!

 

[ForssAwakens]

as I suspected, you are are anti-expert. Because you watch Holby City?

Do you know more than a doctor about your health, no. So why do you think you know more than someone with qualifications and experience in football?!

Where did I say I’m anti expert. Your an anonymous poster, I’ll never be able to verify what you’ve said you’ve done. Your opinion is valued the same as everyone else on here despite what you may or may not have done.

When I go see a doctor I’m asking for his expert opinion. I’m not asking anyone their opinion on this messageboard for their opinion. We’re here to debate. You don’t go to your doctor to debate, you go for diagnosis. I’m not here to seek a diagnosis on Connolly from some who’s coached a few kids and read a text book.

You actually think that your opinion holds more water than others on here don’t you?

 

[BoroMart]

It is self evident from the thread which of us is getting emotional here.

Yes, it is

I am completely without emotion on the subject of Connolly.

I disagree, that's fine

We disagree and that really isn't a problem for me but it very clearly is for you.

I disagree with your proposition

To present that paragraph as not being insulting is frankly absent any empathy or self awareness at all.

here with the amateur psychology again

What is interesting though is how hypocritical you are.

as are you

So on that occasion you were very, very anti-expert and in fact it made you really rather angry and it manifested in the same sort of condescending, insulting word salad you now offer here.

I didn't disagree that it wouldn't win in court based on your asumptions, but as you agreed at one point, you didn't have the facts. Any expert in any field knows you start with the facts, you didn't have them, I challenged you on that. At some point I said it won't ever go to court, they'll pay out, they did.

You think I am whining because you put time and money into football accreditations and that I should learn from you? The arrogance is utterly astounding.

So in one paragraph you want to believe in experts, then twist it to not believing experts. Logical gymnastics

This is a football messageboard. I don't have time to set out a thesis on why I think Connolly is woeful.

Exaggeration is a losing argument. I didn't ask you to do that, simply to accept that to say every game he has contributed zero is over the top. The fact is you've spent a lot more time on this 'moral' crusade of yours to be the police for the righteousness of the board than you ever would have to write a proper appraisal of all aspects of Connolly's game. Not that I asked for that.

You got very emotional and it very much clouded the discussion which once again became quite personal on your part

That's simply a lie. I would claim that you got emotional which clouded the discussion, and that you got personal, which you did.

You then went on to challenge my expert view with what can only be described as a google law degree nonsense on very specific points around the law of causation.

The key point was, we don't have the facts, and I asked about the law of causation, and other aspects. Postulated etc. At no point did I state as fact any legal aspect. Your hyper sensitive state might have mis understood that.

You've somehow managed to convince yourself that I am the one that has the difficulty accepting an alternative view but actually this started and continues because you very clearly made derogatory comments about people having a different view than yours before then going after me. It's that simple.

It really isn't. That's your view and your welcome to it. I've made my views of you quite clear too.

There is no 'if'. I offered it on the Derby thread. Another poster tagged you to look at it. It was ignored.

I ignored nothing because I saw no olive branch. Again, allowing your emotion and assumptions to lead you to the answer that you want to justify your stance.

You haven't offered any such olive branch here and instead have doubled down on everything you have said.

If that is how you perceive it fine. I've been firm but fair, I'm not going to bend over and neither should I

It's interesting what you say about measuring a player on one metric though since there's a certain hypocrisy in that you judged Uche precisely on that basis:

More misrepresentation of the facts. I do not and did not judge Uche on one metric. I simply pointed out a flaw that someone else was postulating what Uche would get goalwise if he played a full season by extrapolating his figures. I was stating it isn't a straight line that if a player scores 2 goals in 180 minutes, of sub appearances, he will score anywhere near that rate over a full season. It was a comment on being careful with statistics.

Uche, as I've stated before, a trier, an honest player, but lacks the cardio levels, pace, and skill to play at this level. He's 28 at cardiff.....and hasn't started a game. He's never been a regular starter at this level, even at Wycombe (although partly through injury). That qualifies my statements about him.

I've qualified my comments on Britt too, on multiple occassions. Again, I was stating that using britts goals as validation of a good player, was using a single stat to hide the hollistic picture of his impact on the team.

I have nothing to apologise for or to change.

That's what I thought. Off you pop, you are no kind of man

 

[Adi_Dem]

Yeah that’s me, no kind of man. You have a good day Mart.

 

[fmttmadmin]

Oh my word - you are both good blokes. Good Boro fans and great posters - how did we get to this point?
Please, life is far too short, isn't it. It really is not worth it.

 

[BoroMart]

Oh my word - you are both good blokes. Good Boro fans and great posters - how did we get to this point?
Please, life is far too short, isn't it. It really is not worth it.

agreed, I've blocked him, there's no need for this vitriol in life, I've offered several olive branches but chosen to stand by calling me a d$%*(*head and continue with a one man crusade. Blocked, I'd suggest he does the same and everyone can move on

 

[Adi_Dem]

Oh my word - you are both good blokes. Good Boro fans and great posters - how did we get to this point?
Please, life is far too short, isn't it. It really is not worth it.

I’ve just got back from my uncle’s funeral. He died of COVID a couple of weeks ago and there is little that puts things into perspective quite like a close family bereavement.

I think there’s little evidence of him being a good bloke here. In fact I’d say the opposite. I find some of the things he’s said hugely offensive and actually pretty nasty, especially around needing therapy. That he genuinely thinks he has put olive branches forward and that I am the one being vitriolic is pretty laughable when you read the thread back. But one thing that we can all agree on is that it’s all very unnecessary. So now that he has apparently (once again) put me on ignore I can put this one to bed without feeling the need to continually defend myself.

Cheers Rob.