That's not something that can be fixed overnight. It will take a decade minimum to address just the high priority items. But yes that should be the long term plan.
Why are the Far Right rising?
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Brian Marwood
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. I decided to ignore that ridiculous last statement.Unravel_Morrison
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Why not? Knock yourself out.
sweet_left_foot
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Omega
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That’s an opinion hou are talking **** to me as my wife works in that area on vista and she feels it l. As for not seeing gangs of men on street corners open your eyes lying about it dose not help.
hobblewobble
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I may be wrong and often am but when we had the huge influx of eastern europeans most of whom were not as healthy as the majority of brits. due to poor diet and relative poverty.
As soon as they were settled their mothers/fathers aunts and uncles etc started to arrive for nhs benefits housing etc.
As soon as they were settled their mothers/fathers aunts and uncles etc started to arrive for nhs benefits housing etc.
Brian Marwood
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This is satire, right?
NYboro
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Unfortunately, from some of his other posts, I suspect not.
sweet_left_foot
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boroboy6872
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Yeh saying you were talking ***** was a bit far and as you say it`s just an opinion
My wife and me see differently to you and yours.
Fair enough, don`t think we need to meet up and you take me on a guided tour of Parliament Road tbh.
When you say "Gangs of men" can you be specific with numbers, a gang to me is 5 and above, never seen that on all corners like you claim.
See you what you want though and I`ll see what I want.
Perhaps try to engage in the local community (if you haven`t already).
MolteniArcore
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Is the population dramatically increasing? I am no expert but a quick google maybe shows otherwise:
If this is correct then it’s reducing. The immigration numbers might seem scary but overall the population seems to have reduced. Someone with a bit more time than me can maybe did into this (like when a migrant is counted as being in the ‘population’) but on the face of it there doesn’t seem to be an issue.
(Source: https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/GBR/united-kingdom/population)
boroboy6872
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No
but if you can provide the evidence to prove me wrong then I`ll happily concede the point
Omega
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Yes no need for tour just do not like to be called a liar when I am only stating what I can see and how my wife feels on visits. I hope the post works no fan of Andy but read what the residents say. I am not against immigration but this is not working and we are creating for a better word ghettosYeh saying you were talking ***** was a bit far and as you say it`s just an opinion
My wife and me see differently to you and yours.
Fair enough, don`t think we need to meet up and you take me on a guided tour of Parliament Road tbh.
When you say "Gangs of men" can you be specific with numbers, a gang to me is 5 and above, never seen that on all corners like you claim.
See you what you want though and I`ll see what I want.
Perhaps try to engage in the local community (if you haven`t already).
Life in TS1: 'You have to live here to see what we put up with'
Comments linking immigration and crime have pushed the problems facing central Middlesbrough into the spotlight again
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That doesn't show a reduction at any point. It is showing year on year increases but it is showing that the growth rate is reducing. However, looking at the consistency of the rate for the last 3 years then it can be assumed that whatever model this data set is using is not being updated yearly but is using a flat growth model. Looking at it on a percentage basis is silly really because if we had the same increase every year the growth rate would go down as the population increased. If we are increasing population by x are we increasing capacity by the same amount?
Data is showing this the most recent net immigration figures are 700k which is way above the 200k per year expected growth rate in this data. Births to deaths has reduced in recent years but it is still positive, coupled with the net immigration and that 700k would be a population increase of 700k plus births/deaths.
According to the below the population is expected to grow to 75m within the next 20 years if high net migration occurs. They class 290k as high, they don't have anything in their model for 700k per year. 72m. 72m would be an average growth rate of 0.03% and we haven't seen such small growth since the 90s.
MolteniArcore
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Laughing
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It wasn't so long term for johnson.
If the net immigration figures are correct then the population must be increasing by almost the same quantity. We are almost at status quo when it comes to births v deaths. The 2024 population figures should reflect this.
A lot of the arguments put back to me are implying I am anti-immigration at best and some sort of racist UKIP advocate at worst when the truth is I am neither. I have no problem with immigration or living in a multi-cultural society, offering refuge to those that need it or study here. My problem is with over crowding and providing the correct infrastructure for all people that live here. Net immigration figures have risen dramatically post covid, that level of population increase is not sustainable. We can't build schools, hospitals and transport infrastructure quick enough to cope with that level. Everybody's standard of living will suffer.
It is already very difficult to get GP appointments. I am having a nightmare getting the correct health care for two elderly members of family at the moment and it just highlights how bad of a state the NHS is.
The state of he rail network is a disgrace.
Highway upgrades are being delayed all over the country
The housing crisis is real
People are posting a counter argument to me that we should be investing in all these sectors to relieve the pressure and the crisis we find ourselves in is due to a lack of investment from the current tosspots in charge. I whole heartedly agree. But that is done. We are here now. And someone needs to start sorting it out. Mass investment in all those sectors above are a given but surely allowing the population to massively increase in the meantime is going to further stretch all these sectors.
Currently we can't adequately provide for our current population. If you had a leak that caused a flood, you would turn the water off till you fixed it. Then you would turn the water back on. Let's turn the water off until we fix it because we'll never fix the flood while the water is still running.
Reduce the immigration to a level we are maintaining the current population until we get a handle on some of these sectors. I get that this is difficult. We have skill shortages, we need to provide refuge to those that need it. And I don't know how you cap these different types of immigrant. But I also think mass immigration like we have seen in the last 12 months spells disaster
