Who is not feeling it with Michael Carrick?

parmoboy said:
One of my concerns with Carrick is whether or not he's a leader. I can remember him giving a lacklustre interview once when he was Utd captain and they'd just been beaten, and Roy Keane saying "that interview was just like their performance, flat".
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Keane was probably upset there were no profanities in it
 
Piccadilly Day Tripper said:
It's a massive meh for me. I just don't see what's in it for any party.

We're writing off a season that is clinging on by a thread to allow Carrick to get to grips with running a club that isn't Manchester United - like going from running a run-down city centre hotel, to managing a run-down seaside B&B, at the moment.

Carrick was never the inspiring leader who is going to drive a club forward in his own image, so he'll have to fold to any structure the club is trying to put in place. As it seems, he'll have to work with any player the club brings in but then carry the can if the results don't improve.

I don't see how its an appointment that can motivate our under-performing players, or put more confidence in our better ones.

The major positive for me would be a head coach and a coaching team with no set agenda or prejudice against any player at any level of the club so there might be less of the stubborness that sees bought players like Hoppe nowhere near the first team.

But I would think its an appointment which says we're only able to compete at Championship level for the next couple of seasons.
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Wilder has written off the season before we start. Saying we are not Man Utd isn’t saying very much at all.. we never have been.

Carrick has his own set of positive attributes like any other candidate will have. Different skills sets each and every one. A fresh set of eyes on the squad and a fresh start for all players will at least give us a clearer picture of where we need to be.

Who know’s?the new Marcus Tavernier might come out of the woodwork along with a class of 92 style bunch of young guns ready to tear up the league!!

We’ll see, better some new ideas than scraping the barrel of the champo or trying to recreate something. The Norwich model, the Brentford model, the Sheffield model.. etc etc etc.. let’s get back to Boro and do what we do best. Risks, Youth, Academy and hidden gems!!
 
There is a strong argument that we need a malleable rookie to work with this structure. Someone coming in purely to focus on on-field matters and coaching the first team, whilst being willing to be able to take the back seat on everything else.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but looking back it was probably pretty naive for anyone to think Warnock or Wilder would be willing to operate in that way.
 
I think it is ambitious to give Carrick his first managerial role.
It's also very risky.
Feels like we are spinning the wheel in the Boro casino again.
Trying to keep in touch with the 'big boys', chasing glamourous coat-tails.

I think we might have been better setting our sights slightly lower.
Someone like Carlos Coberan would have been a safer bet in my humble opinion.
- Proven Championship Manager (got Huddersfield to 3rd last year)
- Worked under Bielsa at Leeds
- Used to working under a Football Director

Yes, I know he failed at Olympiacos but he was only there very briefly working under a trigger happy Chairman.
Without a Club I'm sure he'd be very interested in working with us.

Oh well
Looks like West Brom are chasing him
 
parmoboy said:
One of my concerns with Carrick is whether or not he's a leader. I can remember him giving a lacklustre interview once when he was Utd captain and they'd just been beaten, and Roy Keane saying "that interview was just like their performance, flat".
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My problem with Roy Keane is that he just can't get his head around the fact that there are people out there who are emotionally different to him and react differently to situations than him. It's why he's good entertainment but most clubs think he isn't worth the hassle.
 
My biggest concern is our winter coats.. I haven’t seen much of them in the club shop tbh.

Carrick looks like he wears a good club winter coat.. as with Alex Fergusson.

I just don’t think the Gillet with cover it.
 
Abel Tasman said:
If he knows what he is doing I suspect he will ask what the set up is. Dean Ashton on the FL Show at the weekend if anybody saw it spelt out the issue at the weekend. A Manager has to go in and coach the players he is given and have no say in recruitment. If that is the plan then don't take the job if you want your own players
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Spot on.
I believe whoever has accountability for first team performance has to have the major input into who is in the squad, who is released and who is recruited.
Just what accountability does a "Head of Football" have? It sounds a bullet proof gig to me for a very long time.

I've no idea whether Carrick is the right choice for us or not, but I hope he only takes the job if he is clear where exactly where he fits and is happy with any constraints he really has.
I'd simultaneously hope that he will not be happy with having his squad picked for him.

So, if he's the choice, then let him really manage; or I hope he turns it down.
 
atypical_boro said:
There is a strong argument that we need a malleable rookie to work with this structure. Someone coming in purely to focus on on-field matters and coaching the first team, whilst being willing to be able to take the back seat on everything else.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but looking back it was probably pretty naive for anyone to think Warnock or Wilder would be willing to operate in that way.
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Yet we have been happy to let an absolute rookie in Kieran Scott come in and be given a Head of Football role over the manager?
 
indeedido said:
Spot on.
I believe whoever has accountability for first team performance has to have the major input into who is in the squad, who is released and who is recruited.
Just what accountability does a "Head of Football" have? It sounds a bullet proof gig to me for a very long time.

I've no idea whether Carrick is the right choice for us or not, but I hope he only takes the job if he is clear where exactly where he fits and is happy with any constraints he really has.
I'd simultaneously hope that he will not be happy with having his squad picked for him.

So, if he's the choice, then let him really manage; or I hope he turns it down.
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Head of Football is not into player recruitment (apparently) .. he has a budget and an objective set and is tasked with fulfilling the financial requirements of the manager and recruitment team. He does the deals
 
I cant get excited at all about who the new manager may be. However that's because most recent appointments that seemed exciting initially have gone t*ts up. I thought Wilder was the most exciting one for many a year and was buzzing about it. Now look at how that turned out.

For me Carrick seems like a reasonable option and I would not be averse to him getting the job. Yes it would be a gamble but anyone would be because even the experienced managers we have had recently have ultimately failed. Corberan would I think also be a reasonable option.

I actually don't think that the squad we have is that bad and should be well capable of at least challenging for the play offs. It just needs someone who is a good man manager who can motivate and organise the players and who has a plan B and maybe Plan C to switch to if A isn't working during a game.
 
newyddion said:
Head of Football is not into player recruitment (apparently) .. he has a budget and an objective set and is tasked with fulfilling the financial requirements of the manager and recruitment team. He does the deals
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**** me newy, Our "Head of Football" has recruited our new Head of Recruitment, who reports into him.
Scouting is the only thing Scott actually does have experience in!
 
indeedido said:
**** me newy, Our "Head of Football" has recruited our new Head of Recruitment, who reports into him.
Scouting is the only thing Scott actually does have experience in!
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The 38-year-old joined Boro in August last year from Norwich City, where he was their Head of Recruitment. His title at the Riverside is the unusual one of Head of Football, although the role is actually akin to that of the more common Sporting Director or Director of Football.

“For me, the key area for a Director of Football is the ins and outs of player transfers,” Scott told The Northern Echo. “You’ve got to look at the squad and be able to control what the future looks like.

“You’ve got players coming in from the Academy and you’ve got to make sure the path stays clear for them, and then you’ve also got your sales and purchases. You’re trying to put square pegs in square holes all the time, whether that’s an internal player or an external player that you’re recruiting.”

He explained where he comes in in the recruitment process.
“In terms of signing a player, my role really comes in right at the end, and that’s the deal,” he said. “Of course, I need to see the players and agree they’re right for the club and that the manager is on board, but the shortlisting and scouting, and the early part of the work, is done by the recruitment team underneath.

“We’ve started the process of appointing a new Head of Recruitment (a position that has been vacant since 2019), and they’ll come to me for what will effectively be the end of the process, where we can then work together and make the deals happen.”
Scott’s first big job at Boro was to help appoint a new manager after Neil Warnock was sacked in November. Former Sheffield United boss Chris Wilder came in after a "thorough process".

“It wasn’t necessarily a case of the previous manager leaving straight away, but it was clearly going to happen at some stage,” Scott said. I’d witnessed what was going on, on the pitch and on the training ground, and by the end I think there was just an acceptance that it needed new blood and new energy. It needed some new life, and for me, that meant a new manager.

“It was my job to identify candidates and analyse whether they’d be a good fit for Middlesbrough. It was clear Chris fitted the bill as to what we needed. We went through a thorough process – it wasn’t like a one-man shortlist – but as soon as I met Chris, I knew he was a great fit for the club.

“I thought his style of play would really suit us and I knew the intensity of what he would bring would be a huge lift for everybody. Without doubt, Chris was the right man for the job.”

Another responsibility of the Director of Football is to retain some continuity in the backroom staff, rather than changing them every time the manager changes, Scott added.
“If Chris does fantastic and Manchester United want to take him, he’s going to take key staff with him, there’s nothing you can do about that," he said.

“But there has to be a nucleus of staff behind that stay and help build a mentality within the club, so if there is a shift, we’re just replacing certain key staff within a structure that remains constant. That’s definitely an area where I’m still working hard to get the balance right.”
 
indeedido said:
Yet we have been happy to let an absolute rookie in Kieran Scott come in and be given a Head of Football role over the manager?
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I wasn’t especially arguing against rookies. It worked with Robson, McClaren, Karanka etc as you know. My point was really about how there is no point appointing a manager who is long in the tooth and worked under many other structures, if none of them resemble the one we’d be asking him to work under. And that’s even assuming that the structure we are moving towards now even remotely resembles a structure that’s been implemented anywhere else.
 
Normally when you get a new job the fans are exiting and behind you.

Not many people are feeling the love with Carrick.
 
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