When did Boris become the messiah

Ok, some of you think he's doing an appalling job, I think he's doing a far from perfect job with many mistakes, but I don't think it's as horrible as some people do. It's all about opinions and we all have our own reasons for reaching our conclusions, which is fair enough in my view
Artie, of course you are entitled to your opinion, but the assumption that all opinions are equally valid is nonsense. Back up your opinion and tell us where the government have done a good job, that would be a start?
 
Ok, some of you think he's doing an appalling job, I think he's doing a far from perfect job with many mistakes, but I don't think it's as horrible as some people do. It's all about opinions and we all have our own reasons for reaching our conclusions, which is fair enough in my view
You don't think it's as horrible as some people do ? 7.5k people have died who ordinarily wouldn't have. Families have lost loved ones that shouldn't have. Front line services are exposed to things they shouldn't be. We are building emergency hospitals to cope when we shouldn't be. It looks pretty horrible to me.
 
some of you think he's doing an appalling job, I think he's doing a far from perfect job with many mistakes,
I'd love to know what the difference is between doing an "appaling job" and "a far from perfect job with many mistakes"?

I'd say that doing "a far from perfect job with many mistakes" is a pretty good definition of appaling...

If they had reported the problem earlier, locked places down earlier and shared ALL of the information earlier the rest of the world
Oh dear Randy.

The "Rest of the World" had the same information as the Johnson government and has done a far better job (so far). We're not in a position to judge the Chinese government, sadly neither are the Chinese people. We ARE in a position to judge OUR government and in my judgement they have been utterly inept. Not as malignantly inept as the Trump government but again that is not our problem. Our problem is our government and they have failed us.
 
You don't think it's as horrible as some people do ? 7.5k people have died who ordinarily wouldn't have. Families have lost loved ones that shouldn't have. Front line services are exposed to things they shouldn't be. We are building emergency hospitals to cope when we shouldn't be. It looks pretty horrible to me.

And that is happening in every country significantly affected by this virus, so are all govts equally as bad as this one in managing an unprecedented situation?

Look, I'm not going to try to justify every decision as a good one, because as I've already said, numerous poor decisions have been made, but progress in halting the spread is being made and that is a positive outcome of decisions this govt has made

And sorry if this is a cop out, but I'm not going to spend the evening debating opinions. I accept much of the criticism being levelled at Johnson as valid and legitimate, it's just my own view is that it's not the total disaster that others view it as, nor is it as bad as it had potential to be. Let's not forget that the scientific and medical advice the govt are basing their decisions on would be exactly the same advice given to any other UK govt; the advisors are civil servants and not employed by this govt
 
And that is happening in every country significantly affected by this virus, so are all govts equally as bad as this one in managing an unprecedented situation?

Look, I'm not going to try to justify every decision as a good one, because as I've already said, numerous poor decisions have been made, but progress in halting the spread is being made and that is a positive outcome of decisions this govt has made

And sorry if this is a cop out, but I'm not going to spend the evening debating opinions. I accept much of the criticism being levelled at Johnson as valid and legitimate, it's just my own view is that it's not the total disaster that others view it as, nor is it as bad as it had potential to be. Let's not forget that the scientific and medical advice the govt are basing their decisions on would be exactly the same advice given to any other UK govt; the advisors are civil servants and not employed by this govt
Yes I think other governments are equally as bad, but I'm not governed by them, it's not my place to criticise them. I can only point to our government's failure to protect its citizens......and that's what they have done, spectacularly. The primary job of a government is to protect it's citizens.
 
"Why did we turn down the offer from the EU of 30000 ventilators"

Where has this 30000 figure come from?

Lets assume that it's not a made up figure and we had gone ahead with the EU project how many ventilators would we have received by now considering that last Friday the number they had secured was zero?
 
As just reported on C4 news, South Korea starting preparing on 2 January, days after they found out about a new virus and long before they got their first case.
 
In the long run Funky, in the long run.
Fail to prepare , prepare to fail as they say - the Germans (amongst others) got things in place far quicker and are going to be hit far less than us. Says it all when our bungling PM thinks it’s ok to go around bragging about shaking hands with people in the midst of highly infectious deadly virus outbreak - you couldn’t make it up, an he’s our supposed “leader”



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Fail to prepare , prepare to fail as they say - the Germans (amongst others) got things in place far quicker and are going to be hit far less than us. Says it all when our bungling PM thinks it’s ok to go around bragging about shaking hands with people in the midst of highly infectious deadly virus outbreak - you couldn’t make it up, an he’s our supposed “leader”



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It was the line from a probably apocryphal conversation between the then Prime Minister Alec Douglas Home and one of his senior civil servants. It went something like (from memory so it mightn't be exact) - about the resurgent West German economy in the 1960's.

Home - Frightfully clever people, the Germans, that's how they won the war, you know.
Civil Servant - But Prime Minister, they didn't win the war.
Home - In the long run, dear boy, in the long run.
 
Long thread this with plenty of fair arguement on either side.
My view on it is the government have got it right with the time of the lockdown. Any earlier would have been to soon.
We get the NHS we pay for...and it still costs more than that. Some people want homelessness ending, food banks not needed, endless budget for mental health, more police, big social benefits system.....the list goes on. We can't afford all of them, let alone being prepared and having the infrastructure in place for a virus which came from knowwhere and touched every corner of the globe in less than 3 months.
The same people complain about people ignoring the lockdown then criticize the authorities for coming down too hard on them.
What I do know is that NHS should have an abundance of money after this. The doctors waiting rooms along with a and e have never been so quiet with people not going when they don't need to.
 
I would also add that the government built a 500 bed (expanding to 4000 if required) hospital before it was needed. The extra ventilators are coming before demand along with hospitals in Birmingham, manchester, glasgow and Wales.

With regard to testing its abit out of their hands. As I understand it, some of the tests are unreliable and the ingredients to make their own are hard to come by (unless somebody can correct me)
 
hindsight, .......


Mar 13, 2020
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Upshot is we don't really know. Graphs that show an exponential acceleration of infection are simple extrapolations. Might happen, might not. For every "expert" saying it will there are "experts" saying it won't. What I take from it is that the real risk is to the elderly and the imuno-compromised. If you have someone in one of those groups in your family (as I do) then you need to take steps yourself to mitigate their risk. You need to keep those people safer by reducing their contact with lots of people and making sure that you are as careful as you can be not to bring teh infection to them.

Panic buying will not even help yourself. (Fukk nose what ANYONE is going to do with five hundred bog rolls and two tons of pasta?) For what it is worth I think that the government has it just about right. I suspect that we will see school and college closures some time next week and further containment through travel restrictions in the week after. I am not convinced that making these calls earlier will significantly reduce the impact of the virus.

Be safe everyone.



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RandySavage said:
I hate the Tory party as much as the next fella but what exactly did people expect Boris to do?


1. Lockdown - much earlier
2. Testing
3. Contact tracing
4. Strict quarantine following WHO guidelines

We knew this was coming, lockdown was predicted and expected at least a week before it was implemented when Johnson was carousing on daytime telly telling us to "take it on the chin". He dithered, he bumbled he was indecisive when we needed leadership. He failed.
 
Is it any wonder Middlesbrough tops the list of places not following government advice and staying indoors.

Just look at all the finger pointing from the know-it-alls, is it any wonder that people so entrenched in its hatred for a political party would follow any of its advice?

The whole world and his dog knows this originated in China, clues in the name, yet there are still those denying it and you expect these people to follow advice??

The government can only do so much given how quickly the virus is acting and how it's affecting other countries. There is no single way that will work for everyone because there are still too many unknowns of the virus.

Here's a fact you seem happy to ignore - Over 55 million people are still alive and well due to Gov advice. A virus with no vaccine or cure is going to kill not matter what measures you try to put in place.
 
Is it any wonder Middlesbrough tops the list of places not following government advice and staying indoors.

Just look at all the finger pointing from the know-it-alls, is it any wonder that people so entrenched in its hatred for a political party would follow any of its advice?

The whole world and his dog knows this originated in China, clues in the name, yet there are still those denying it and you expect these people to follow advice??

The government can only do so much given how quickly the virus is acting and how it's affecting other countries. There is no single way that will work for everyone because there are still too many unknowns of the virus.

Here's a fact you seem happy to ignore - Over 55 million people are still alive and well due to Gov advice. A virus with no vaccine or cure is going to kill not matter what measures you try to put in place.
No I can’t buy all that, the government had 3 months of notice from China, failed to take action to prepare the NHS properly whilst they were patting themselves on the back for winning (another) get Brexit done election and took it so casually that even the PM ended up seriously ill with the virus. The economic damage has yet to be felt but it’s going to be severe, oh and we have no strategy whatsoever on testing and lifting the partial lockdown. It’s a Tory shambles, you must face up to it.
 
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