When did Boris become the messiah

asredastheycome

asredastheycome

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With this illness, which we all hope he recovers from, he seem to have gone from someone many thought was bumbling, untruthful, untrustworthy,and dishonourable. Many have questioned his fitness for the highest office but now when he has been missing a few days the country cannot manage without him if we are to believe Sky News and the media going by this morning press review. Do we really miss him, are things happening differently without him or if we are what does it say about the rest of the "Government" that no one is big enough to fill Boris's shoes.
 
I think the problem is that in his absence there's no clear ultimate decision maker. It's more about the system and the low quality people in the cabinet than Johnson's abilities. Also the press are always more sympathetic to people when there's a crisis or someone is suffering on a personal level. I do think the whole episode will strengthen his position for a while though, certainly until things settle down and Starmer is able to create a higher profile.
 
No we do not miss him
However, do not confuse how the press behave, the questions they ask or the headlines they put up as being some orchestrated effort by the man himself to improve his image or make him more charismatic in some way, i appreciate some people love a conspiracy, but really.

He recently won an election by a landslide, he does not need to work on his image. He is a man on oxygen like many right now thats all. Because he is the PM is the only reason the media care. If it were you or I as PM, we would be getting the same attention. The tory party will run the country as they choose with or without Johnson, unfortunately
 
Not really, this is completely unprecedented and caught nearly every country off guard. Its horrendous that so many people have died in countries all across the world, but it would be the same regardless who was in government.

You could also say that many lives have been saved because of some of the things that were put in place, guess it depends what your agenda is.

The Chinese lied about the facts and extent of the virus, and despite all that they now get a seat at the UN's table to make decisions about human rights.

But yeah, let's all blame Boris Johnson...
 
When you have a populist leader who’s appeal is based on the cult of personality rather than their actual political acumen then take that figurehead away and the chasm between policy and personality shows, Johnson, got away with things because of who people thought he was, the bumbling, unkempt, slightly bemused sloganeer, all played with a hint of mischief and tongue firmly in cheek, a man so establishment that he becomes anti-establishment on the basis of this act, his mistakes forgiven as just being part of the package, and fair play because it worked, the steely ambition to be elevated to Prime Minister on the back of this performance fully paid off, and now he’s not there the Government is just a bunch of establishment suits, the illusion broken, the mirror cracked.
 
He’s a politician and the political industry will try to use anything to their favour.

Its a bit galling for the 55% who did not vote for Johnson and the Tories but at the end of the day we all want a fellow human being to get better so there is nothing you can do about it.

The Tories will have enough on their plates getting us out of this crisis for the next few years so if they want to build Johnson’s (hopefully) recovery up as the resurrection that’s up to them. Personally I think the way they are going on is embarrassing.
 
uncle_rico said:
Not really, this is completely unprecedented and caught nearly every country off guard. Its horrendous that so many people have died in countries all across the world, but it would be the same regardless who was in government.

You could also say that many lives have been saved because of some of the things that were put in place, guess it depends what your agenda is.

The Chinese lied about the facts and extent of the virus, and despite all that they now get a seat at the UN's table to make decisions about human rights.

But yeah, let's all blame Boris Johnson...
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Plenty of countries managing it much better than the UK, we also had the benefit of 3 weeks warning and could see what was happening in Italy and still did nothing with it.

Under funding your health system to the point of collapse for years is always going to cause people to die unnecessarily
 
many are giving him a free ride, lets be honest its because he "got brexit done".
the people i see on social media wanting clap for boris, praising him etc are staunch brexiters.
one thousand deaths a day and the government still seem to be getting a free ride.
but now holding the government to account is not in , despite the fact that it might save lives.
 
uncle_rico said:
Not really, this is completely unprecedented and caught nearly every country off guard. Its horrendous that so many people have died in countries all across the world, but it would be the same regardless who was in government.

You could also say that many lives have been saved because of some of the things that were put in place, guess it depends what your agenda is.

The Chinese lied about the facts and extent of the virus, and despite all that they now get a seat at the UN's table to make decisions about human rights.

But yeah, let's all blame Boris Johnson...
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Defending the indefensible. Some things never change.
 
He was only ever useful to the Tories as someone with the common touch, or more accurately, someone who could fool enough common people into voting for him with his unkempt hair and bumbling, amiable front. I hope he makes a complete recover,y as I would anyone who gets this virus.

But he will be judged on his performance on how he safeguarded the people of this country and frankly people like "Uncle Rico" who will seek to divert attention by pointing at China are just giving a free ride to someone who doesn't deserve one. Johnson's responsibility was to ensure the safety of the people of this country and by flirting with the concept of "herd immunity", "riding it out" and "taking it on the chin" he has cost British lives.

In my opinion he should resign. He has failed the people.
 
uncle_rico said:
Not really, this is completely unprecedented and caught nearly every country off guard. Its horrendous that so many people have died in countries all across the world, but it would be the same regardless who was in government.

You could also say that many lives have been saved because of some of the things that were put in place, guess it depends what your agenda is.

The Chinese lied about the facts and extent of the virus, and despite all that they now get a seat at the UN's table to make decisions about human rights.

But yeah, let's all blame Boris Johnson...
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Uncle Rico you do talk a lot of nonsense mate.
 
uncle_rico said:
Not really, this is completely unprecedented and caught nearly every country off guard. Its horrendous that so many people have died in countries all across the world, but it would be the same regardless who was in government.

You could also say that many lives have been saved because of some of the things that were put in place, guess it depends what your agenda is.

The Chinese lied about the facts and extent of the virus, and despite all that they now get a seat at the UN's table to make decisions about human rights.

But yeah, let's all blame Boris Johnson...
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Exactly
I hate the Tory party as much as the next fella but what exactly did people expect Boris to do?
Close the borders in and out when China got its first cases of covid-19?

As much as I hate to say it but I wonder what percentage of the population are getting ill now disregarded the government's instructions compared to say those who were either unlucky or a frontline medical professional?
 
'As much as I hate to say it but I wonder what percentage of the population are getting ill now disregarded the government's instructions compared to say those who were either unlucky or a frontline medical professional?[/QUOTE]'

This is really important
A suggestion
1. It's China's fault
2. It is the public's fault
3. It was the medical expert's fault

Remember, though - Hancoccck, Gove and Johnson all got it and they ignored social distancing rules - their own advice
 
uncle_rico said:
Not really, this is completely unprecedented and caught nearly every country off guard. Its horrendous that so many people have died in countries all across the world, but it would be the same regardless who was in government.
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Caught off guard? China, Japan and South Korea managed to contain it alright and they had zero or a lot less notice. We had about 4-8 weeks notice and started with an absolutely horrendous job. Just because some other countries are also doing a crap job, does not absolve us of crap decisions.

Italy had two weeks less notice and Spain and France a week, yet even with this extra notice we're probably going to at least equal the death toll. Time is a valuable thing, each 3 days of delay caused the potential death toll to double.

But what do experts know hey......
 
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