Well done max - f1 world champion

WilliamMunny said:
Congratulations to Max Verstappen. Over the course of 2021 he has driven spectacularly well and can consider himself a worthy champion. Even though he got lucky at the death, he's had his fair share of misfortune so perhaps things evened themselves out over the season. He is too talented not to end up a multiple World Champion regardless of whether he won this time.

Congratulations also to Lewis Hamilton. He has been epic in these last 4 races and but for Michael Masi, would now be an 8 time World Champion. He handled being screwed over like a titan of the sport and has gone up even further in my estimation. Here's hoping that he comes back stronger next season and regains the Championship to make him undisputed GOAT.

Aside from Checo who showed Bottas what a team mate should be doing, nobody else from the top two teams deserves much credit yesterday as far as I am concerned. Mercedes appeal is unedifying, although I fully understand that they have to try. Nevertheless, I would hate to see the appeal be successful (despite carrying a huge amount of merit) as a prolonged legal back and forth will damage F1 even more. As for Red Bull, I don't know which of the following makes me cringe the most - Horner claiming the moral high ground when it is 100% certain that they would have appealed in the same circumstances, or boasting about the great strategy call they made to pit Max under the SC (as if there was any risk involved in doing so). Toto Wolf is definitely a bad loser, but Horner is a bad winner incapable of acting with grace.

Last but not least, we come to the real villain - Michael Masi. Make no mistake, yesterday Mr Masi decided to go full on Mr McMahon from WWE (I would not have been surprised to see him raising Max's arm on the podium!). He had a difficult but ultimately simple choice. Option 1, follows the rules as have been applied at every previous GP and let Hamilton keep the lead he had earned, or option 2, adapt the rules so that Max was guaranteed the title but for a driver error. The fact that he chose option 2 has destroyed F1 as a sporting entity and turned it into sports entertainment, where the man behind the curtain decides who is going to win on any given day. This has been coming for a long time, with Masi making decisions on a race by race basis depending how he "feels" that particular day. At best he is incompetent, but I actually feel he may even be corrupt. Either way, he has to go otherwise F1 has no sporting credibility left.

It's such a shame that the season has ended under this cloud and whilst Max probably won't give a flying fig, his first title will forever be tainted by a question mark, even though on the day he did nothing wrong.
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Well said sir, pretty much nailed it completely.👍
 
SmallTown said:
if you want excitement above sporting fairness then wrestling is the one for you.
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Bit patronising. Not really needed. You could just have said something like 'I'm pleased you enjoyed it but it wasn't sport in my book' or something like that.

I don't get why someone who enjoyed the race isn't a true fan and should go and watch something else. Not welcome here new fan!!
 
MolteniArcore said:
Bit patronising. Not really needed. You could just have said something like 'I'm pleased you enjoyed it but it wasn't sport in my book' or something like that.

I don't get why someone who enjoyed the race isn't a true fan and should go and watch something else. Not welcome here new fan!!
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It wasn't meant to be patronising. Ot was a direct comparison. Wrestling is the only other sport I know where the officials pre determine result and manipulate events to look exciting with no respect for "sport"

How would you feel if, say, a cup final thay was level had a random last minute penalty given to one team just to make it "exciting" and force a result?
 
I have to admit that if F1 wanted people talking about it and getting all of their sponsors on the TV then yesterday was a great success.

However it got me thinking back to football and how a colleague who had no interest in football normally but was all marked up in England paint and new shirt was trying to tell me that England losing on penalties was exciting and not to worry as there are lots of other competitions for England to win. All I can say is that we are both lucky it wasnt the Boro involved or I would probably be locked up somewhere! (and that was a result without controversy!)
 
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Glad Hamilton got smoked in the final lap, it was hilarious.

He’s one of the biggest hypocrites going with his views on society.
 
What would have happened if Hamilton had been penalised for going off the track on the first lap?
Asking for a Dutch friend.
 
norfolkngood said:
What would have happened if Hamilton had been penalised for going off the track on the first lap?
Asking for a Dutch friend.
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Hamilton would have stayed out longer on his yellow tyres and built the lead so he could pit and come back out in front - so ultimately you can tell your Dutch mate nothing much would have changed.
 
What happened last night for me, was not about Verstappen, Hamilton or any other driver, it was about the sport of F1 itself.

The Race director decided that the sport should eat itself in the name of entertainment, forgetting the decades before it, forgetting the integrity and forgetting fairness.

In ripping up the rule book to engineer a 1 lap qualification race for 1 driver, Masi has made the sport a laughing stock around the world, entrenched tribalism and forever tainting the WDC.

In a role that should be unnoticed, Masi spent the entire season putting himself in the headlines to the point of choosing how a race would end. Masi must resign or be fired.
 
junos_boots said:
Hamilton would have stayed out longer on his yellow tyres and built the lead so he could pit and come back out in front - so ultimately you can tell your Dutch mate nothing much would have changed.
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That is correct. Given the decision of Masi at the end, there was really nothing else Lewis could have done to win the Championship. Even if he had been second throughout the race, thereby being the one able to pit for the softs under the SC, there is no guarantee that Masi would have made the same choice.

Ultimately Masi was in a position to decide who won the Championship and he chose Max despite Lewis leading the entire race. My view is that if roles were reversed in the race, he would still have chosen the option that ensured Max ended Lewis' reign as Champion.
 
MolteniArcore said:
Come on ST - it was exciting. Last week Lewis got the rub of the green, this week is was Max. I appreciate what you diehards are saying about rules and regulations but as someone coming back to the sport the last 2 weeks have been brilliant to watch.

It's a strange old thread this - a newcomer (or returnee) is saying 'Wow, how great is F1 - that was bloody exciting' and the diehard fans are disagreeing 'it's disgraceful, cheating, etc' and criticising those who enjoyed it.

Each to their own, obviously. I understand you are upset about it all but I loved it. Roll on 2022.
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I’m a newcomer and while I understand the last lap was exciting I don’t necessarily watch sport for excitement. I know that sounds strange but I want to see who is the best under a fair set of rules. It’s like in Boxing, I could watch Mayweather all day long jab his way to victory, I appreciated the art.

Sport isn’t about manufactured excitement for me, it’s a competition to see who is the best. Masi yesterday essentially acted like Vince McMahon and I stopped watching wrestling when I was about 14.
 
Chappy112 said:
I’m a newcomer and while I understand the last lap was exciting I don’t necessarily watch sport for excitement. I know that sounds strange but I want to see who is the best under a fair set of rules. It’s like in Boxing, I could watch Mayweather all day long jab his way to victory, I appreciated the art.

Sport isn’t about manufactured excitement for me, it’s a competition to see who is the best. Masi yesterday essentially acted like Vince McMahon and I stopped watching wrestling when I was about 14.
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Apparently Masi is allowed to do what he wants according to some on here. Maybe he can make the leader of next year's championship tow a caravan round the last few laps of the final race to spice things up a bit.
 
Muttley said:
Oh dear.

I really shouldn't keep looking at this thread it has become the playgrounds of the stupids and the trolls.

I will try to make this my last contribution on here.
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Shouldn’t be too difficult, just don’t open the thread

Although I guess the notification for this reply will tempt you to open it but now you won’t reply pretending that you didn’t open it, or maybe now you will reply because I said that.

What a dilemma, Don’t let it eat away at your day
 
HiredGun123 said:
Shouldn’t be too difficult, just don’t open the thread

Although I guess the notification for this reply will tempt you to open it but now you won’t reply pretending that you didn’t open it, or maybe now you will reply because I said that.

What a dilemma, Don’t let it eat away at your day
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Or you could stop being a sad little troll on a thread that is not only serious, but has a lot of emotion on it.

Don't be pathetic and let the adults have their discussion
 
Alzi said:
Apparently Masi is allowed to do what he wants according to some on here. Maybe he can make the leader of next year's championship tow a caravan round the last few laps of the final race to spice things up a bit.
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That's the thing isn't it. The FIA admit the rules weren't followed but then saying he doesn't have to follow the rules. That's the most ridiculous statement in world sport.
 
SmallTown said:
Or you could stop being a sad little troll on a thread that is not only serious, but has a lot of emotion on it.

Don't be pathetic and let the adults have their discussion
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Lots of emotion for a bunch of toffs you don’t know driving around in circles

I don’t know how you all get through life
 
There are reports that Hamilton has asked Mercedes to drop the appeal. If true, I think that says everything about the integrity of Lewis and the idiocy of those that label him a moaner.
 
SmallTown said:
I'd put @Tom_Boro up there with @zzzzz as just a sad and lonely troll on these threads. Which is why he doesn't read them, just comments something on a wind up. Like I said, it's really pathetic behaviour and I feel sorry for them.
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Really? Because myself and zzz have a different opinion we are trolls? Do you read what you post?
 
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