Well done max - f1 world champion

Really? Because myself and zzz have a different opinion we are trolls? Do you read what you post?
Yes, and yes. They are clearly trolling as you just ignore the threads and post something you know will wind people up. Don't try and defend it because it's obvious. If that how you get your kicks then fine, but you should probably look inside, as to why you want to do such sad behaviour
 
They can't add laps due to fuel requirements, remember 1 litre has to remainin every car for inspection or is that rule that doesn't need to apply?

Ultimately they should've just stuck to their own rules and finished under the safety car just as they would've if it was any other race day.
Ah yes, forgot it wasn't like NASCAR or Indycar. My bad.
 
The Today programme were talking with a barrister practising international arbitration earlier. Unsurprisingly, the barrister stated Mercedes have a very strong case. The Director failed to follow a very clear rule that states in order to restart a race after a safety car, all lapped cars must pass the leader. The Race Director only allowed those between Hamilton and Verstappen to pass, on the request of Red Bull.

I was looking at precedent earlier too. Since 1999 there have been 9 races that finished behind the Safety Car. Each in very similar circumstances to yesterday. It's very clear that a major error has been made by Masi. Mercedes know it and the rest of F1 will know it too.
 
The Today programme were talking with a barrister practising international arbitration earlier. Unsurprisingly, the barrister stated Mercedes have a very strong case. The Director failed to follow a very clear rule that states in order to restart a race after a safety car, all lapped cars must pass the leader. The Race Director only allowed those between Hamilton and Verstappen to pass, on the request of Red Bull.

I was looking at precedent earlier too. Since 1999 there have been 9 races that finished behind the Safety Car. Each in very similar circumstances to yesterday. It's very clear that a major error has been made by Masi. Mercedes know it and the rest of F1 will know it too.

Mercedes will no doubt have a slam dunk case if it went to CAS, there's also a past quote from Masi doing the rounds on twitter about how the safety car rules and lapped cannot be overruled/changed.

However, I don't think Lewis Hamilton would want it to end that way anymore than Verstappen when he reflects on all of this when his career is at at similar stage.

No matter how much I would like to see justice done, the damage to the sport would be massive and Verstappen didn't do anything wrong. Masi ultimately is responsible and the F1 top brass need to do the right thing and fire him.
 
The Today programme were talking with a barrister practising international arbitration earlier. Unsurprisingly, the barrister stated Mercedes have a very strong case. The Director failed to follow a very clear rule that states in order to restart a race after a safety car, all lapped cars must pass the leader. The Race Director only allowed those between Hamilton and Verstappen to pass, on the request of Red Bull.

I was looking at precedent earlier too. Since 1999 there have been 9 races that finished behind the Safety Car. Each in very similar circumstances to yesterday. It's very clear that a major error has been made by Masi. Mercedes know it and the rest of F1 will know it too.
I'm actually sad they are thinking of pulling their appeal. They should appeal. It's a sporting event gone wrong and rules were broken. It's that simple. They were by far the biggest victims, granted but they weren't the only ones affected by the race director not following the rules
 
Not been interested in Formula One for years, so a close finish certainly worked to catch my interest. Aren't most of the rules regarding the sport designed to manufacture the whole spectacle into being more competitive and the safety car is there for just that. If they changed the rules mid race then I can see an injustice, but my son. who does follow it, says that's at the discretion of the race director? So it's a bit like us losing to a controversial penalty, so talk of barristers and settling in court seems way over the top.
 
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You don't see that the reason why people are up in arms about this is because it was totally unfair, ignoring the rules and precedent previously applied. Mercedes would have brought Hamilton in and tyre changed if they'd have known. No team would have expected the race to end in one lap shoot out where one driver was given such an advantage. Max was handed Hamilton on a plate and he and Redbull knew it.

Yes, I see that and have said in other posts that I understand why people are unhappy / emotional about it.

All I was saying it I enjoyed it, that it was exciting and has made me want to watch F1 next season. Unfortunately the consensus on here is that I'm not allowed to enjoy it as rules were broken and I should try wrestling instead. It would appear my opinion isn't wanted as only true F1 fans can understand what makes a race enjoyable and our sort aren't wanted.
 
I'm actually sad they are thinking of pulling their appeal. They should appeal. It's a sporting event gone wrong and rules were broken. It's that simple. They were by far the biggest victims, granted but they weren't the only ones affected by the race director not following the rules
Definitely. It's a question of integrity of the whole sport. I get those saying just let it slide now, but it's such a major mistake it has to be reviewed entirely. It wouldn't surprise me if Masi buckled under pressure from Red Bull.

It probably ends up with any hearing stating an error was made and the race should not have been restarted, but the result stands and Verstappen is the tainted 2021 champion.
 
Not been interested in Formula One for years, so a close finish certainly worked to caught my interest. Aren't most of the rules regarding the sport designed to manufacture the whole spectacle into being more competitive and the safety car is there for just that. If they changed the rules mid race then I can see an injustice, but my son. who does follow it, says that's at the discretion of the race director? So it's a bit like us losing to a controversial penalty, so talk of barristers and settling in court seems way over the top.
Not really. As someone else has pointed out: The "discretion of the race director" isn't absolute. And in every single formula 1 race, and in the rules, the race director can decide whether to let the lapped cars unlap themselves or leave them in place. What has never happened is SOME of the cars being allowed to unlap themselves (A crooner after being told they couldn't) and others not. They basically screwed over half the field just to have their TV moment. The repose from the drivers was one of confusion and some complaints as no one was allowed to race except Max

 
Yes, I see that and have said in other posts that I understand why people are unhappy / emotional about it.

All I was saying it I enjoyed it, that it was exciting and has made me want to watch F1 next season. Unfortunately the consensus on here is that I'm not allowed to enjoy it as rules were broken and I should try wrestling instead. It would appear my opinion isn't wanted as only true F1 fans can understand what makes a race enjoyable and our sort aren't wanted.
Don't be so stroppy: The complete facts are: the FIA created an ending yesterday, actually manufactured a result, despite breaking their own rules to do it.
The point is the only other sport where this happens is wrestling. So if you enjoy that manufactured, fake and unsporting entertainment, then maybe you should watch a sport that has perfected it?
 
Don't be so stroppy: The complete facts are: the FIA created an ending yesterday, actually manufactured a result, despite breaking their own rules to do it.
The point is the only other sport where this happens is wrestling. So if you enjoy that manufactured, fake and unsporting entertainment, then maybe you should watch a sport that has perfected it?
Being a bit holier than thou? The whole sport's manufactured so there's little integrity, most sport to be precise is like that these days, why do you think they had the race in the Middle East under floodlights on prime time Sunday afternoon? Weren't there also questionable rulings leading up to this to ensure it all hinged on the last race?
 
Yes, I see that and have said in other posts that I understand why people are unhappy / emotional about it.

All I was saying it I enjoyed it, that it was exciting and has made me want to watch F1 next season. Unfortunately the consensus on here is that I'm not allowed to enjoy it as rules were broken and I should try wrestling instead. It would appear my opinion isn't wanted as only true F1 fans can understand what makes a race enjoyable and our sort aren't wanted.
Besides, it would have been more exciting to watch 5 laps of Lewis and Max battling it out on fresh tyres which Masi could have legally done by throwing a red flag when Latifi crashed.

If you want manufactured excitement, then fine. But why do you want it in a way that heavily stacks the odds to one driver?
 
Out of curiosity. When the safety car is out. Why do they let lapped cars un-lap themselves?
 
Being a bit holier than thou? The whole sport's manufactured so there's little integrity, most sport to be precise is like that these days, why do you think they had the race in the Middle East under floodlights on prime time Sunday afternoon? Weren't there also questionable rulings leading up to this to ensure it all hinged on the last race?
That makes no sense. The sport has rules which are decided beforehand. To completely ignore those rules, 57 laps into a 58 lap race is utterly ridiculous. I honestly have no idea why you think running the Abu Dhabi grand prix under floodlights is comparable? Given that has been written in the "rules" for the past 12 year? That's the weirdest argument I've heard!
 
Ultimately all the race director should have done is add one lap to the race and let all lapped cars through. Same result probably would have happened as Verstappen was in the last chance saloon and again I don't think Hamilton defended that overtake as well as we know he could of.
No just stick to the rules , the guy bottled it. New softs c/w worn hard no contest unless you know something that most F1 followers know
Yes, I see that and have said in other posts that I understand why people are unhappy / emotional about it.

All I was saying it I enjoyed it, that it was exciting and has made me want to watch F1 next season. Unfortunately the consensus on here is that I'm not allowed to enjoy it as rules were broken and I should try wrestling instead. It would appear my opinion isn't wanted as only true F1 fans can understand what makes a race enjoyable and our sort aren't wanted.
Of course your entitled to your opinion and it has been taken in. There was plenty to enjoy in the WDC this year but ultimately it was decided by an official,. All fans of F1 want is a level playing field, let the teams produce the best car they can and let the driver extract the best out of it, all within a set of sensible rules applied fairly and evenly.
 
Out of curiosity. When the safety car is out. Why do they let lapped cars un-lap themselves?
Usually for safety reasons. If they are lapped cars they are probably a lot slower then the lead cars so they want to get them away from the faster cars to lessen the chances of a crash on restart.

The problems yesterday were 2 fold: The only let some lapped cars through. Ricciardo and Stroll weren't allowed to unplug themselves. Also it states specifically in the rules the safety car must come in the lap AFTER the cars are told to unlap themselves (again, for safety reasons, to allow them to get round to the back of the safety car train and not be to close to the fast cars at the front of the safety car)

That was the specific rule that was slam dunk broken yesterday
 
That makes no sense. The sport has rules which are decided beforehand. To completely ignore those rules, 57 laps into a 58 lap race is utterly ridiculous. I honestly have no idea why you think running the Abu Dhabi grand prix under floodlights is comparable? Given that has been written in the "rules" for the past 12 year? That's the weirdest argument I've heard!
I get that you think it was ridiculous, as I said earlier I don't usually watch F1 and can see why those who are devotees might be up in arms today, but to disparage others with talk of integrity etc....seems a bit much to me. No one died, there was an exciting finish and it's given us something else to talk about today other than Covid-19!
 
Don't be so stroppy: The complete facts are: the FIA created an ending yesterday, actually manufactured a result, despite breaking their own rules to do it.
The point is the only other sport where this happens is wrestling. So if you enjoy that manufactured, fake and unsporting entertainment, then maybe you should watch a sport that has perfected it?

Give over, I'm not been stroppy! It was tongue in cheek! ;)
 
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