We the undersigned (re punishment of flare lad)

newyddion said:

What is restorative justice?​

Restorative justice brings those harmed by crime or conflict and those responsible for the harm into communication, enabling everyone affected by a particular incident to play a part in repairing the harm and finding a positive way forward. This is part of a wider field called restorative practice.

Restorative practice can be used anywhere to prevent conflict, build relationships and repair harm by enabling people to communicate effectively and positively. Restorative practice is increasingly being used in schools, children’s services, workplaces, hospitals, communities and the criminal justice system.

Restorative practice can involve both a proactive approach to preventing harm and conflict and activities that repair harm where conflicts have already arisen.

Where the latter is required, a facilitated restorative meeting can be held. This enables individuals and groups to work together to improve their mutual understanding of an issue and jointly reach the best available solution. But in many cases a less formal approach, based on restorative principles, may be more appropriate.

Restorative practice supports people to recognise that all of their activities affect others and that people are responsible for their choices and actions and can be held accountable for them. It enables people to reflect on how they interact with each other and consider how best to prevent harm and conflict.

The six principles of restorative practice are:

1. Restoration – the primary aim of restorative practice is to address participants needs and not cause further
harm. The focus of any process must be on promoting restorative practice that is helpful, explores
relationships and builds resilience.

2. Voluntarism – participation in restorative practice is voluntary and based on open, informed and ongoing
choice and consent. Everyone has the right to withdraw at any point.

3. Impartiality – restorative practitioners must remain impartial and ensure their restorative practice is
respectful, non-discriminatory and unbiased towards all participants. Practitioners must be able to recognise
potential conflicts of interest which could affect their impartiality.

4. Safety – processes and practice aim to ensure the safety of all participants and create a safe space for the
expression of feelings and views which must result in no further harm being caused.

5. Accessibility – restorative practice must be respectful and inclusive of any diversity needs such as mental
health conditions, disability, cultural, religious, race, gender or sexual identity.

6. Empowerment – restorative practice must support individuals to feel more confident in making their own
informed choices to find solutions and ways forward which best meet their needs.
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We had young offenders convicted of attacks on the police during the 2011 ((Mark Duggan) riots washing police vehicles in the two station yards in the London borough I worked in.

It proved an education for both sides, plenty of individual coppers approached them thinking they were police cadets or volunteers and the ensuing discussions were reported as revelatory
 
newyddion said:
Restorative justice:

2 season tickets for disabled kids and spending one season helping out with displays before home games.
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Do you know how patronising you are being to disabled children suggesting their disability to be used to determine the outcome of a person's reckless and illegal behaviour. Do you not think for one minute people with disabilities would actually prefer to access an enabling environment without patronising goodwill.
 
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Boro.Fur said:
Here we go. We're all dullards because you think the club has 'grassed up' a criminal. I've seen you on this slippery slope half a dozen times over the years and we all know how it ends. It feels like you're working your ticket.
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Dullards because you’re repeating the same shyte over again.. just because you can’t accept someone else’s opinion that differs from your own. You think that I think the club has grassed up a criminal. NOPE

And this slippery slope that you’ve seen half a dozen times over the years.. care to give an example?

It feels like I’m working my ticket? What on earth you think this place is I do not know. But that comment should be embarrassing.
 
naively_optimistic said:
Do you know how patronising you are being to disabled children suggesting their disability to be used to determine the outcome of a person's reckless and illegal behaviour. Do you not think for one minute people with disabilities would actually prefer to access an enabling environment without patronising goodwill.
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The point was that the £2000 fine would be better spent on providing tickets to those who would not have access to them.

I guess I’ve done myself a disservice by attempting to pay lip service to the baying mob of pearl clutchers.

Patronising goodwill? It’s still goodwill.
 
Summary -

1. Lad from RF has been a massive helmet and set a marine flare off in the stadium.
2. He's been identified, banned and fined by the courts (not Boro)
3. Newy has questioned the severity of the ban and suggested restorative justice would have been a better punishment (his opinion)
4. Many others have disagreed, strongly (their opinion)
5. Bumface and newy are out of beef.
6. How about just agreeing to disagree, have a brew and a chocolate hob nob?
 
h_m_boro said:
Summary -

1. Lad from RF has been a massive helmet and set a marine flare off in the stadium.
2. He's been identified, banned and fined by the courts (not Boro)
3. Newy has questioned the severity of the ban and suggested restorative justice would have been a better punishment (his opinion)
4. Many others have disagreed, strongly (their opinion)
5. Bumface and newy are out of beef.
6. How about just agreeing to disagree, have a brew and a chocolate hob nob?
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Hobnobs are awful, meet me outside the Nav for a straightener immediately.
 
To be fair, if Newy and Bumface do have it out, my money’s on Newy.

If it’s true and he does indeed have a bum for a face that’s two arses to kick.
 
Scrug said:
To be fair, if Newy and Bumface do have it out, my money’s on Newy.

If it’s true and he does indeed have a bum for a face that’s two arses to kick.
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If we do have it out.. it’ll be a sausage.

We have no beef.
 
newyddion said:
a good fan and a community leader
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Law breaking idiot more like
 
Acklam_Lad said:
Newy, Those flares burn at around 1000c. they are strictly for uses in wide open spaces for emergencies.... hence why they are so strictly controlled.

if that flare had made contact with someone... it would of burnt them to the bone in less than a second. they are much more powerful than your standard firework. Can you honestly say this numbnuts even considered this? can you imagine the damage this could have done to someone? It would have resulted in life changing injuries.

The club have a duty to provide evidence of criminal behavior to the police. They also have a duty to protect their customers... you, me and everyone else in that stadium.

The police gathered the evidence an the CPS decided to prosecute.

The punishment was issued by the Judge.... it had nothing to do with the Club and they cannot influence the decision

To be honest the punishment is on the lenient side.... He could have got a minimum of 3 month inside
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Some sense 👍🏻👍🏻
 
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