We the undersigned (re punishment of flare lad)

Newy, Those flares burn at around 1000c. they are strictly for uses in wide open spaces for emergencies.... hence why they are so strictly controlled.

if that flare had made contact with someone... it would of burnt them to the bone in less than a second. they are much more powerful than your standard firework. Can you honestly say this numbnuts even considered this? can you imagine the damage this could have done to someone? It would have resulted in life changing injuries.

The club have a duty to provide evidence of criminal behavior to the police. They also have a duty to protect their customers... you, me and everyone else in that stadium.

The police gathered the evidence an the CPS decided to prosecute.

The punishment was issued by the Judge.... it had nothing to do with the Club and they cannot influence the decision

To be honest the punishment is on the lenient side.... He could have got a minimum of 3 month inside
 
Really don’t understand how anyone can defend this “fan”. Everyone knows the rules. Sadly some people will never change until they are banned. The kind of people who think they can get away with anything.

I don’t want to be in the stands with people who are dangerous. I take my kids to games. I’d be happy with lifetime bans for this kind of stuff. Either that’s enough incentive so they wouldn’t do it, or they’d get caught and banned. Easy.
 
Acklam_Lad said:
Newy, Those flares burn at around 1000c. they are strictly for uses in wide open spaces for emergencies.... hence why they are so strictly controlled.

if that flare had made contact with someone... it would of burnt them to the bone in less than a second. they are much more powerful than your standard firework. Can you honestly say this numbnuts even considered this? can you imagine the damage this could have done to someone? It would have resulted in life changing injuries.

The club have a duty to provide evidence of criminal behavior to the police. They also have a duty to protect their customers... you, me and everyone else in that stadium.

The police gathered the evidence an the CPS decided to prosecute.

The punishment was issued by the Judge.... it had nothing to do with the Club and they cannot influence the decision

To be honest the punishment is on the lenient side.... He could have got a minimum of 3 month inside
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What is restorative justice?​

Restorative justice brings those harmed by crime or conflict and those responsible for the harm into communication, enabling everyone affected by a particular incident to play a part in repairing the harm and finding a positive way forward. This is part of a wider field called restorative practice.

Restorative practice can be used anywhere to prevent conflict, build relationships and repair harm by enabling people to communicate effectively and positively. Restorative practice is increasingly being used in schools, children’s services, workplaces, hospitals, communities and the criminal justice system.

Restorative practice can involve both a proactive approach to preventing harm and conflict and activities that repair harm where conflicts have already arisen.

Where the latter is required, a facilitated restorative meeting can be held. This enables individuals and groups to work together to improve their mutual understanding of an issue and jointly reach the best available solution. But in many cases a less formal approach, based on restorative principles, may be more appropriate.

Restorative practice supports people to recognise that all of their activities affect others and that people are responsible for their choices and actions and can be held accountable for them. It enables people to reflect on how they interact with each other and consider how best to prevent harm and conflict.

The six principles of restorative practice are:

1. Restoration – the primary aim of restorative practice is to address participants needs and not cause further
harm. The focus of any process must be on promoting restorative practice that is helpful, explores
relationships and builds resilience.

2. Voluntarism – participation in restorative practice is voluntary and based on open, informed and ongoing
choice and consent. Everyone has the right to withdraw at any point.

3. Impartiality – restorative practitioners must remain impartial and ensure their restorative practice is
respectful, non-discriminatory and unbiased towards all participants. Practitioners must be able to recognise
potential conflicts of interest which could affect their impartiality.

4. Safety – processes and practice aim to ensure the safety of all participants and create a safe space for the
expression of feelings and views which must result in no further harm being caused.

5. Accessibility – restorative practice must be respectful and inclusive of any diversity needs such as mental
health conditions, disability, cultural, religious, race, gender or sexual identity.

6. Empowerment – restorative practice must support individuals to feel more confident in making their own
informed choices to find solutions and ways forward which best meet their needs.
 
newyddion said:

What is restorative justice?​

Restorative justice brings those harmed by crime or conflict and those responsible for the harm into communication, enabling everyone affected by a particular incident to play a part in repairing the harm and finding a positive way forward. This is part of a wider field called restorative practice.

Restorative practice can be used anywhere to prevent conflict, build relationships and repair harm by enabling people to communicate effectively and positively. Restorative practice is increasingly being used in schools, children’s services, workplaces, hospitals, communities and the criminal justice system.

Restorative practice can involve both a proactive approach to preventing harm and conflict and activities that repair harm where conflicts have already arisen.

Where the latter is required, a facilitated restorative meeting can be held. This enables individuals and groups to work together to improve their mutual understanding of an issue and jointly reach the best available solution. But in many cases a less formal approach, based on restorative principles, may be more appropriate.

Restorative practice supports people to recognise that all of their activities affect others and that people are responsible for their choices and actions and can be held accountable for them. It enables people to reflect on how they interact with each other and consider how best to prevent harm and conflict.

The six principles of restorative practice are:

1. Restoration – the primary aim of restorative practice is to address participants needs and not cause further
harm. The focus of any process must be on promoting restorative practice that is helpful, explores
relationships and builds resilience.

2. Voluntarism – participation in restorative practice is voluntary and based on open, informed and ongoing
choice and consent. Everyone has the right to withdraw at any point.

3. Impartiality – restorative practitioners must remain impartial and ensure their restorative practice is
respectful, non-discriminatory and unbiased towards all participants. Practitioners must be able to recognise
potential conflicts of interest which could affect their impartiality.

4. Safety – processes and practice aim to ensure the safety of all participants and create a safe space for the
expression of feelings and views which must result in no further harm being caused.

5. Accessibility – restorative practice must be respectful and inclusive of any diversity needs such as mental
health conditions, disability, cultural, religious, race, gender or sexual identity.

6. Empowerment – restorative practice must support individuals to feel more confident in making their own
informed choices to find solutions and ways forward which best meet their needs.
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The old “let’s all have a cup of tea and discuss things” approach. I’m sure the person involved will absolutely learn his lesson and become a valued member of society.

Not entirely sure what you are trying to show by posting this, other than that you can copy and paste from a website. 🤷🏽‍♀️
 
newyddion said:

What is restorative justice?​

Restorative justice brings those harmed by crime or conflict and those responsible for the harm into communication, enabling everyone affected by a particular incident to play a part in repairing the harm and finding a positive way forward. This is part of a wider field called restorative practice.

Restorative practice can be used anywhere to prevent conflict, build relationships and repair harm by enabling people to communicate effectively and positively. Restorative practice is increasingly being used in schools, children’s services, workplaces, hospitals, communities and the criminal justice system.

Restorative practice can involve both a proactive approach to preventing harm and conflict and activities that repair harm where conflicts have already arisen.

Where the latter is required, a facilitated restorative meeting can be held. This enables individuals and groups to work together to improve their mutual understanding of an issue and jointly reach the best available solution. But in many cases a less formal approach, based on restorative principles, may be more appropriate.

Restorative practice supports people to recognise that all of their activities affect others and that people are responsible for their choices and actions and can be held accountable for them. It enables people to reflect on how they interact with each other and consider how best to prevent harm and conflict.

The six principles of restorative practice are:

1. Restoration – the primary aim of restorative practice is to address participants needs and not cause further
harm. The focus of any process must be on promoting restorative practice that is helpful, explores
relationships and builds resilience.

2. Voluntarism – participation in restorative practice is voluntary and based on open, informed and ongoing
choice and consent. Everyone has the right to withdraw at any point.

3. Impartiality – restorative practitioners must remain impartial and ensure their restorative practice is
respectful, non-discriminatory and unbiased towards all participants. Practitioners must be able to recognise
potential conflicts of interest which could affect their impartiality.

4. Safety – processes and practice aim to ensure the safety of all participants and create a safe space for the
expression of feelings and views which must result in no further harm being caused.

5. Accessibility – restorative practice must be respectful and inclusive of any diversity needs such as mental
health conditions, disability, cultural, religious, race, gender or sexual identity.

6. Empowerment – restorative practice must support individuals to feel more confident in making their own
informed choices to find solutions and ways forward which best meet their needs.
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Nice cut and paste mate but it has zero to do with my post.


With regards to restorative justice in this case though, the offence goes well past the threshold with the fact there was obvious cause to endanger life and intent to conceal their identity to escape justice

You are flogging a dead horse with this and need to pack in before you get benched.
 
MidlandsBoroFan said:
The old “let’s all have a cup of tea and discuss things” approach. I’m sure the person involved will absolutely learn his lesson and become a valued member of society.

Not entirely sure what you are trying to show by posting this, other than that you can copy and paste from a website. 🤷🏽‍♀️
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Can’t be arssed saying the same thing over and over to complete dullards.
 
Acklam_Lad said:
Nice cut and paste mate but it has zero to do with my post.


With regards to restorative justice in this case though, the offence goes well past the threshold with the fact there was obvious cause to endanger life and intent to conceal their identity to escape justice

You are flogging a dead horse with this and need to pack in before you get benched.
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Before I get benched? Don’t be a whopper.
 
BoroMart said:
I think some people just get a raging stonk on over being contrary 🤷🏻‍♂️
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Sharing an opinion on a message board..

But but.. the law.. but but.. flares are bad.. but but.. err.. but.. mirrors.. erm.. dead horses.. raging stonk on.. you have beef.. flares are bad.

It’s honestly like a scene out of Idiocracy ready back some of the utter nonsense you guys churn out.

Bobby Boucher on an infinite loop! Momma said.. Medulla Oblongata!

G’night fellas x
 
MidlandsBoroFan said:
You can always tell when someone is losing a discussion.

1) nearly everyone disagrees with them
2) they can’t accept anyone having a different opinion to them
3) they resort to name calling

3 from 3 Newy. Well played.
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1) NOBODY has to agree with me thinking that a different punishment would be more appropriate. N O B O D Y
2) Hilarious. I have no issue with anyone else’s opinion on this.
3) You have got to be kidding me lol
 
newyddion said:
1) NOBODY has to agree with me thinking that a different punishment would be more appropriate.
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Probably for the best, NOBODY does.

You’re entitled to your opinion, like everyone else. But you’ve talked some absolute nonsense on this thread.

One example from earlier…. We’ve “potentially lost a good fan and a community leader.”
Exactly what community are you thinking about?
 
Collectively, rf08 didn't light the flare.
The gadgie who was charged and found guilty did.
At the moment, there appears to be lots of unproven assumptions that all rf08 are guilty by association.
Facts are really critical in making an objective judgement.
rf08 are big enough and responsible enough to make their own decisions.
Let's wait to see what they have to say.(y)
 
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