We are in DEEP trouble

BobendBert said:
I know it’s early but we are. This has all the hallmarks of a relegation side once again. Worse than anything under Wilder at the beginning of last season. We can’t defend, we are overrun in midfield and we have no goal threat.
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Poor today but I don't agree that we can't create, I thought we created lots of excellent chances (and have done all season) but we're just blunt up top. It's a massive worry.

Last season we won that game 4-2.
 
Keanu_Reeves said:
I think the main problem is that Carrick is trying to play the same way we did last season when we simply don't have the players to do it now. It's as simple as that really - he either changes the way we play or we'll carry on getting beat most games
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the most sensible post in this thread
 
5 games in. It’s a learning curve. We have talent and it isn’t being utilised. We have the international break to sort it out. There is a system that these lads can fit into it just doesn’t look like we know it yet. I honestly think we will get there. We can all see the weaknesses so will the coaching team.

This is a much weaker squad. Give them time and let them learn.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
We've sold one player (Akpom) and lost one loan player (Giles) from the team that had us in the top 4 in January but we look a hundred miles away from then

Forss and Smith are big misses, the sooner they're back in the side the better.

Carrick can get this back on track but it's going to take some doing as the confidence dips

We've signed too many players of a similar position and standard. Rogers, Gilbert, Silvera, Greenwood to supplement McGree, Jones, Crooks and Forss.

That's 8 creative attacking players but only two young strikers Absolute madness.
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Smith is awful
 
uncle_rico said:
The love and over reliance on Hackney is strange. If he wasn’t local he’d be getting pelters.
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Yeah he was poor today, but I think anyone would have been how we are set up. It worked last season because Akpom held on to the ball under pressure from one or two, rolled them and released it wide to Giles or Forss who had a free run to get a ball in, plus we had Archer occupying a centre half and his pace or movement worried them.

Now, it never sticks, none of the front four hold or carry the ball and bring another player into play. It bounces off them or they lose it dwelling on the ball or running down blind alleys. This is really easy to snuff out and then get on the front foot and overload the fragile H&H midfield partnership.

We either need new or better forwards, which we can't get, or to a change of formation that gives us an extra body in the middle.

I'd really consider 3-4-3. as we have no great fullbacks or 4-3-3, we have gaping weaknesses with players who are pretty poor. Doing the same thing every week and just expecting it to click somehow is idiocy. I like Carrick and I'm still behind him. But the last four (well fifteen probably) games simply aren't good enough.

We're better than this.

Since Luton away, pretty much every shot on target has been a goal, we look weak and easily shrugged off the ball, we've never won the battle in midfield, we lack creativity, our set plays have been more horrendous than normal (which is a pretty low bar), our subs do little to change the game, they are like for like around sixty minutes, the players on the field, manager and coaches look disinterested, low intensity/don't care. There's no passion, spark, creativity, fight. We're dogshight at the moment, the players should be hurting, even if the quality isn't there I'd expect wounded pride seeing us getting a few petulant yellows for clattering opposition players taking the **** time wasting etc.

But there's absolutely nothing, no fight, no aggression, no passion, no spirit, no taking one for the team. Just nothing, we are an overly nice, small, weak team, full of absolute fannies who must be an absolute joy to play against.

If you are an opposition team coming up against us what have you got to worry about? Our pace? Our aggression? Our big lads overloading you? Our set pieces? Our nasty, niggly midfielder snapping into tackles? Our shithousery players using the dark arts to win free kicks and get you booked?

Nope, absolutely nothing, stay in shape for twenty minutes (or less usually) we'll huff and puff but not really create anything then concede the first shot on target and it's game over, while our manager does absolutely nothing to change the pattern of the game.

I'm phooking sick of them.

Roll on the Saints, pressure off expected to lose. We'll probably beat them. But until that mentally is eradicated we're never going to get anywhere.
 
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Caesium137 said:
Yeah he was poor today, but I think anyone would have been how we are set up. It worked last season because Akpom held on to the ball under pressure from one or two, rolled them and released it wide to Giles or Forss who had a free run to get a ball in, plus we had Archer occupying a centre half and his pace or movement worried them.

Now, it never sticks, none of the front four hold or carry the ball and bring another player into play. It bounces off them or they lose it dwelling on the ball or running down blind alleys. This is really easy to snuff out and then get on the front foot and overload the fragile H&H midfield partnership.

We either need new or better forwards, which we can't get, or to a change of formation that gives us an extra body in the middle.

I'd really consider 3-4-3. as we have no great fullbacks or 4-3-3, we have gaping weaknesses with players who are pretty poor. Doing the same thing every week and just expecting it to click somehow is idiocy. I like Carrick and I'm still behind him. But the last four (well fifteen probably) games simply aren't good enough.

We're better than this.

Since Luton away, pretty much every shot on target has been a goal, we look weak and easily shrugged off the ball, we've never won the battle in midfield, we lack creativity, our set plays have been more horrendous than normal (which is a pretty low bar), our subs do little to change the game, they are like for like around sixty minutes, the players on the field, manager and coaches look disinterested, low intensity/don't care. There's no passion, spark, creativity, fight. We're dogshight at the moment, the players should be hurting, even if the quality isn't there I'd expect wounded pride seeing us getting a few petulant yellows for clattering opposition players taking the **** time wasting etc.

But there's absolutely nothing, no fight, no aggression, no passion, no spirit, no taking one for the team. Just nothing, we are an overly nice, small, weak team, full of absolute fannies who must be an absolute joy to play against.

If you are an opposition team coming up against us what have you got to worry about? Our pace? Our aggression? Our big lads overloading you? Our set pieces? Our nasty, niggly midfielder snapping into tackles? Our shithousery players using the dark arts to win free kicks and get you booked?

Nope, absolutely nothing, stay in shape for twenty minutes (or less usually) we'll huff and puff but not really create anything then concede the first shot and target and it's game over, while our manager does absolutely nothing to change the pattern of the game.


I'm phooking sick of them.

Roll on the Saints, pressure off expected to lose. We'll probably beat them. But until that mentally is eradicated we're never going to get anywhere.
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Great post 👍🏻
 
uncle_rico said:
Great post 👍🏻
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I really wish it wasn't Rico.

Oh for a Leadbitter on the field. I can stomach us being poor, or the new lads not being Archer, Akpom and Ramsey. That's where we're shopping currently. Put the lack of drive, pride, aggression, shape, any sort of action from the bench as the midfield fails to do what an U-16 team would consider 'the basics' time after time simply isn't good enough.

His principles and inaction are going to see him sacked by October at this rate if he doesn't shore up the midfield and go back to basics.The players simply aren't good enough to deliver whatever on earth it is that they're meant to be delivering between midfield and attack currently.

I'm at a loss as to how someone with his career and background can be so useless/blind/stubborn as to change what clearly isn't working.

Good coaches can adapt, this is just boIIocks.
 
As someone said above, we haven’t had a tough run of fixtures yet either. This is shaping up to be a very long and poor season. Relegation is a VERY real threat as we just simply do not have the quality in the squad.
 
Boro_Madrid said:
As someone said above, we haven’t had a tough run of fixtures yet either. This is shaping up to be a very long and poor season. Relegation is a VERY real threat as we just simply do not have the quality in the squad.
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Absolutely, I think we are in real trouble here. I get the feeling it is purely blind hope we can start getting results, rather than a genuine belief it will click.
 
BumTrumpet57 said:
Absolutely, I think we are in real trouble here. I get the feeling it is purely blind hope we can start getting results, rather than a genuine belief it will click.
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That’s exactly it. We are just hoping that things will start to click with these players and I just can’t see it right now. They are simply not good enough.
 
The players should be good enough though as the basis of what was performing till January last year is still there,

Steffen-Dieng

Smith
Fry
Lenihan
Giles - Bangura or Engel

Hackney
Howson

Forss
Chuba - Mcgree
Mcgree - Jones

Crooks - latte lath

On the small occassios yesterday of slight intensity we passed through QPR at ease but we are slowing our game down far to much and the pace and confidence to play needs to improve.

We are still creating chances but not scoring and everything that could go against us is, my real concern is that as others have suggested is the lack of plan B for ex we are being over run bring on another midfielder or we are chasing the game Engel was struggling I thought as where others but chanel formation go two up top and try and get back in the game like for like subs to system that's being easily played against doesn't. Make sense to me, settled team and basics need to be done with similar players to the above but maybe add O'brien for mcgree go 433 would be a better option for us IMO
 
Trouble is Carrick has to work with the hand he has been dealt. Whoever chose this set of players to sign needs to take responsibility. We needed some quality championship players and not some unknowns from minor international leagues.
 
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