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I noticed he was pedalling his drug of choice again last night. With his try it what harm can it do mantra, adding I’m no doctor but I know common sense ( yes I’m not making that up) so to me this is common sense.

he’s nuts
 
From cnn

The debate is not a new one inside the coronavirus task force -- and medical experts have repeatedly explained to the President that there is a risk in enthusiastically touting hydroxychloroquine in case the drug doesn't ultimately work to combat the virus. But other aides and outside advisers have sided with Trump, including Navarro, who is still not a formal part of the task force but has wedged himself into the meetings.

And more worryingly...

Trump in recent days has pointed to hydroxychloroquine as a treatment despite scant scientific evidence of the drug's effectiveness.

Yet there is little reliable evidence that the drugs -- either alone or in combination -- are effective at treating the novel coronavirus.

Experts do not suggest taking hydroxychloroquine as a preventive for Covid-19 because there is no evidence yet to suggest it protects against contracting the virus.

"They say take it," said Trump, without citing any experts or sources. "I'm not looking at it one way or the other, but we want to get out of this. If it does work, it would be a shame if we didn't do it early. But we have some very good signs."

Trump also said the US Food and Drug Administration gave hydroxychloroquine "rapid approval," but in fact, the FDA has not approved it for the treatment of Covid-19.
 
He’s a F***ing nut job. A spectacularly bad appointment to steer a country the biggest threat since world war 2.

If it wasn’t so tragic it would be an hilarious commentary on the science of manipulation.
 
Would you run an election in a pandemic?
Wisconsin are doing just that today and Trump has tweeted his encouragement for Republicans to get out and vote for his pick in the State Supreme Court justice race.
The Dem governor issued an executive order to postpone it until June, but the Republicans immediately challenged that and the calls for more postal votes. It eventually got to the Republican led State Supreme Court and they overturned the executive order.
It's not just the Dem primary, but the State Supreme Court position and a host of local elections.
It would seem like getting judges in who'll oppose abortions is worth putting thousands of lives at risk.
I keep thinking it can't get any more stupid and then it does.
 
What it's like for first responders like me to get told coronavirus is a 'hoax'
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...rontlines-yet-i-ve-heard-pandemic-ncna1175426
Some hoax - I've been working 12 hour days, trying to make sure that our networking and computing can continue to support our front-line staff. I have photographs from my boss of the microwave comms going in between the roof of one of our buildings to the field hospital in Central Park - all done inside a day, by a father and son team who did it for no recompense.
 
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

For example, when he shut down travel from China (would he really do that if he thought it was a "hoax"?) New York public officials reacted much as posters on here. They called him racist, and promoted exactly the opposite approach. The Director of Public Health encouraged people to party in China Town - she actually suggested ignoring the virus. And in early March, The New York Mayor was still suggesting people go to the cinema.

Their reaction to Trump is one reason why New York has been so badly hit. The main reason is probably the number of travelers from China before travel was stopped. That and travel from Europe (who did not stop travel from China).

As for Hydroxychloroquine, it's madness to reject this drug because Trump talked about it. Trump mentioned it because of a highly successful French trial. It's part of the standard protocol for Covid-19 in China, and in New York, doctors are taking the drug to avoid developing Covid-19. US doctors prescribe it to people with moderate symptoms to try to avoid severe disease with some success - though all anecdotal until the trials are complete.

The drug isn't just used for malaria. It's also used for arthritis and lupus - i.e. it's an anti-inflammatory. Inflammation is in part what causes ARDS in Covid-19 patients. I'd already read about the drug before Trump mentioned it, and would be happy to give the drug a try should a doctor recommend it. Like any drug it isn't for everyone.

It's really dangerous to take too much notice of US media. Especially the more rabidly anti-Trump media. They've lost all reason. I have colleagues in the US that no longer watch any mainstream news media because they can't trust it. The trust numbers for media in the US are terrible. The BBC is the most trusted channel at 80%. Ironically Fox is next at 60% (which means even some Democrats prefer it). CNN is somewhere around the mid 30's.
 
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Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

For example, when he shut down travel from China (would he really do that if he thought it was a "hoax"?) New York public officials reacted much as posters on here. They called him racist, and promoted exactly the opposite approach. The Director of Public Health encouraged people to party in China Town - she actually suggested ignoring the virus. And in early March, The New York Mayor was still suggesting people go to the cinema.

Their reaction to Trump is one reason why New York has been so badly hit. The main reason is probably the number of travelers from China before travel was stopped. That and travel from Europe (who did not stop travel from China).

As for Hydroxychloroquine, it's madness to reject this drug because Trump talked about it. Trump mentioned it because of a highly successful French trial. It's part of the standard protocol for Covid-19 in China, and in New York, doctors are taking the drug to avoid developing Covid-19. US doctors prescribe it to people with moderate symptoms to try to avoid severe disease with some success - though all anecdotal until the trials are complete.

The drug isn't just used for malaria. It's also used for arthritis and lupus - i.e. it's an anti-inflammatory. Inflammation is in part what causes ARDS in Covid-19 patients. I'd already read about the drug before Trump mentioned it, and would be happy to give the drug a try should a doctor recommend it. Like any drug it isn't for everyone.

It's really dangerous to take too much notice of US media. Especially the more rabidly anti-Trump media. They've lost all reason. I have colleagues in the US that no longer watch any mainstream news media because they can't trust it. The trust numbers for media in the US are terrible. The BBC is the most trusted channel at 80%. Ironically Fox is next at 60% (which means even some Democrats prefer it). CNN is somewhere around the mid 30's.

Unfortunately the Marseille test is not recognised as a trial as it wasn’t set up as such, it has none of the parameters required to be conclusive as an RCT, none of the randomisation controls were in place and patients responded when treat with an antibiotic drug, azithromycim, what makes this strange is that before the Marseille results were published someone purporting to be connected to Stamford University, they weren’t, was on national television saying a 100% cure had been found, and Trump called it a ‘game changer’ hours later.


As you say take a drug when recommended by a doctor but doctors are not recommending this drug, even in the hospital where the doctors undertook the trials it is not being offered as a treatment to Coronavirus patients, it may be a cure or ease the symptoms but at present there is not enough proof for it to be licensed as such, so whilst no one is writing it off
 
That Tomi Lahren character. She sums up everything that is wrong about the US and its complete detatchment from reality
 
As for Hydroxychloroquine, it's madness to reject this drug because Trump talked about it. Trump mentioned it because of a highly successful French trial. It's part of the standard protocol for Covid-19 in China, and in New York, doctors are taking the drug to avoid developing Covid-19. US doctors prescribe it to people with moderate symptoms to try to avoid severe disease with some success - though all anecdotal until the trials are complete.
I don't know of anyone that's rejecting this drug but many medical and scientific experts are urging caution and asking for proper trials to be done. There was no "highly successful French trial" - there was one seriously flawed study that among other things, did not use standard provisions like a double-blind, placebo controlled study would, used non-comparable groups for those receiving and not receiving the medication and then excluded 23% of the patients who had an adverse reaction to the hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin (including one who died) from the final results. Then there was a purely observational study with about 80 patients who all had only mild symptoms to start with - also not using any proper controls.

It's also not a standard protocol in China - although it is part of several trials there.

Here's what the CNGE, a highly respected French medical body said about using hydroxychloroquine (with or without azithromycin):

Given the lack of solid scientific evidence for the efficacy of hydrochloroquine and its rare but serious cardiac adverse effects, the CNGE Scientific Council recommends general practitioners not to prescribe this medication on an outpatient basis. This prescription would be contrary to medical ethics because the risk (known) is potentially greater than the effectiveness (not established) in an outpatient population which will heal spontaneously in more than 80% of cases. In the current state of knowledge, the use of hydroxychloroquine should be reserved for properly conducted therapeutic trials to assess the benefit / risk balance.

https://www.cnge.fr/conseil_scienti...19_y_t_il_une_place_pour_lhydroxychloroquine/
 
Straight from the horses ass, Trump wants everyone to forget about the virus, except those who have lost someone, they can remember. How deep is the pit where his empathy is held hostage by his self-interest.
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