Trump V Biden

smogontherhine said:
I assume that was aimed at me.

Let me give you an argument from the opposite side.
The New York Times, never supported a Republican candidate in my lifetime, publishes an article from an "unknown source" claiming Trump paid no tax in whatever years it said. This the Left take as the truth and Trump shouts "fake news"
Project Veritas with an opposite agenda investigates voter manipulation, the Left shout "fake news"

Do I think Trump has been dodgy with his taxes based on the NYT piece... probably, do I think there's been voter fraud in Minneapolis based on that video.... probably.

I'm far from trying to paint one side as clean and the other as dirty.... both sides are as bad as each other.
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The NYT has never supported a Republican candidate, FOX has never supported a Democrat president. but guess what there are more Republican's supporting a Democrat this year than ever before, wonder why?

Veritas "investigated" voter manipulation - but has already been proven to be a Koch brothers hack job - you know like the abortions video that the right huffed and puffed about, but was quickly ripped apart

If you think Trump is "probably" dodgy, then you must have started from a place of love, The guy's a crook.

The point you are trying to make is the same point people use to disenfranchise voters. "oh, they're all as bad as each other, so why bother voting" or the usual juxtapositions the right love to use "Trump is smart to avoid taxes and lefties probably do it too"

the truth is simple, all parties played politics within the system, this is the norm. However, Trump, his cult and the GOP have taken politics to depths never imagined. The checks and balances system no longer works because the GOP and (for the last 4 years) Trump have deliberately broken the system.

I could go on and give you lots of examples, but think I'll give you a chance to find some more youtube vids
 
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I’m watching it now

trump opening line

“well we won the election and elections have consequences.”

Consequences!!!!!!!

He’s freakin insane
 
Changes just announced

The presidential debate commission says it will soon adopt changes to its format to avoid a repeat of the disjointed first meeting between President Donald Trump and Democrat Joe Biden.
The commission said Wednesday the debate “made clear that additional structure should be added to the format of the remaining debates to ensure a more orderly discussion of the issues.”
"The CPD will be carefully considering the changes that it will adopt and will announce those measures shortly," the statement read. "The Commission is grateful to Chris Wallace for the professionalism and skill he brought to last night’s debate and intends to ensure that additional tools to maintain order are in place for the remaining debates."
 
The other angle to what Trump may be facing which really has him worried if he loses, is prosecution. SDNY attorneys have been bringing cases and prosecuting people around Trump. These are the people who prosecuted Cohen.
Alongside that that there have been reports of an ongoing investigation into the financial affairs and interests of the whole Trump family.
Earlier this year even Republicans wouldn't back Barr in his attempts to squeeze a Trump golfing buddy into the job that attorney Berman was removed from.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/20/nyregion/trump-geoffrey-berman-fired-sdny.html
 
Ziggy said:
The other angle to what Trump may be facing which really has him worried if he loses, is prosecution. SDNY attorneys have been bringing cases and prosecuting people around Trump. These are the people who prosecuted Cohen.
Alongside that that there have been reports of an ongoing investigation into the financial affairs and interests of the whole Trump family.
Earlier this year even Republicans wouldn't back Barr in his attempts to squeeze a Trump golfing buddy into the job that attorney Berman was removed from.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/20/nyregion/trump-geoffrey-berman-fired-sdny.html
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I had a wonderful vision of Biden at his inauguration, accepting the duties of President, and then giving a nod to law enforcement, who promptly arrest Trump and his family on stage.

will never happen, but you can dream
 
smogontherhine said:
Let's take them one at a time....
Intricacies of the electoral system - there for both parties to use to their advantage
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He lost the popular vote, the system is rigged to give greater power to the smaller state and those happen to be rural, that only helps republicans. A single electoral vote in rural wyoming represents only 1/3rd of the people in New York state. Or put it another way your vote has 3 times more power in Wyoming. That isn't democracy.

smogontherhine said:
Massive amounts of money pumped into disenfranchising people in those battle ground states - by whom ? They'd had 8 years of Obama prior to Trump
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Read a little fella, cambridge analytica offshoot worked to disenfranchise voters in the last election.

smogontherhine said:
Smear campaigns - what, you mean like Russiagate which turns out to be have been fabricated"
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It hasn't been proven to be entirely fabricated. There are elements of facts, unknown elements, and a report that had it's head sacked because it was getting too uncomfortable.

smogontherhine said:
Building a brand - the right know how to do this all right, maybe the Left should try it
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The left have just played a bit more honest, if you admire Trumps nonsense then I pity you
 
smogontherhine said:
The New York Times, never supported a Republican candidate in my lifetime, publishes an article from an "unknown source" claiming Trump paid no tax in whatever years it said. This the Left take as the truth and Trump shouts "fake news"
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He has had 4 years to show the truth, there is absolutely nothing stopping him providing his tax statements to the press, like every other candidate has for about 60 years.....nothing except that it incriminates him.
 
zorro_mfc said:
Changes just announced

The presidential debate commission says it will soon adopt changes to its format to avoid a repeat of the disjointed first meeting between President Donald Trump and Democrat Joe Biden.
The commission said Wednesday the debate “made clear that additional structure should be added to the format of the remaining debates to ensure a more orderly discussion of the issues.”
"The CPD will be carefully considering the changes that it will adopt and will announce those measures shortly," the statement read. "The Commission is grateful to Chris Wallace for the professionalism and skill he brought to last night’s debate and intends to ensure that additional tools to maintain order are in place for the remaining debates."
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Put them in a sound proof booth like on Mr & Mrs. If Trump can't shout Biden down, he will be shown up for being an utterly childish low IQ, lying idiot.
 
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BoroMart said:
He has had 4 years to show the truth, there is absolutely nothing stopping him providing his tax statements to the press, like every other candidate has for about 60 years.....nothing except that it incriminates him.
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I think the fact that he moved “officially” to Florida shows how much he has to hide.
 
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