Trump V Biden

Do these farces even make up the minds of voters as to which way to go? If they do it is an indictment only on how shallow voters are frankly.

Only 2-3% of voters who will actually vote are influenced by the debates apparently.
 
The only important results coming out of this farce is... Poll shift. It would appear Biden is still sitting at 48-41 directly after. For Biden it is just a question of maintaining.
Trump needs to move the vote. Did last night help him to do this?
The "Stand down, standby " quote may ultimately have a negative impact for Trump in the white suburbs...the place where he must start pulling votes. Then again...
 
worked three times for Blair.

Did indeed. Achieved next to nothing for 13 years and we immediately resumed the Thatcher project after. So what really was the point?

How many out and out socialists has the UK or America ever elected?

What's the difference? When Thatcher took over a tory party that had been part of the post war consensus era she didn't hesitate to change what they were about. Times change. It doesn't do any good to be a cowardly party that refuse to change with them.
 
Iam no big fan of Blair but to say his governments achieved little is unfair, the massive investment into schools and the NHS alone was worthy, they were both on life support after years of tory neglect, the introduction of the minimum wage and the massive strides made in NI deserve credit too.
You would struggle to name any long term benefits of tory policy over the last 50 years .
That's why regardless of how far to the left a labour government is, its always a better option to a tory led government
 
Iam no big fan of Blair but to say his governments achieved little is unfair, the massive investment into schools and the NHS alone was worthy, they were both on life support after years of tory neglect, the introduction of the minimum wage and the massive strides made in NI deserve credit too.
You would struggle to name any long term benefits of tory policy over the last 50 years .
That's why regardless of how far to the left a labour government is, its always a better option to a tory led government
He did a lot for pensioners as well after nearly two decades of turning them into paupers.
 
And yet now we have schools and the NHS back on life support and being privatised at speed, a "living wage" that's routinely ignored via bogus apprenticeships and zero hour contracts, NI that's going to be separated from GB after January and the pensioners are all locked indoors because the gov would rather let covid run rampant than stop people buying Pret coffees.

New Labour may have been a reprieve for a few years where things stopped actively getting worse, but they completely bottled it on making any lasting changes or making any effort to change the media narratives.
 
It was Biden's to lose and he didnt lose it.

Before the debate Trump had been running him down and the expectations set for Biden were so low he comfortably exceeded them. Trump needed a big slip up or a knockout line and he didnt get one.

Biden is ahead in the polls, he will continue to be so - he will be very happy with that. His strategy is 'not to be Trump'. Its working.
 
I obviously don't know the true feeling in America - but i think Trump will win

I think it's a little like our GE 2019... loads of 'silent tories' - hence the huge majority
The difference from the UK is that US is nearly all a 2 party system so getting 43.6% of vote means you will almost certainly lose not get a huge majority. There are some anomalies with small states and the odd independent candidate but Trump will need a bigger percentage than Johnson to win election
 
Achieved next to nothing for 13 years and we immediately resumed the Thatcher project after. So what really was the point?
That's the right wing media story around Blair. But tell me a better time to be a brit outside of the elite than say 97-2005! We had opportunity, investment in schools, hospitals, the police, improved laws around employment and personal rights, the music was good, we actually started to see a boom in our film industry, it was a bloody good time, and it filtered through society not just for the top 5%
 
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Iam no big fan of Blair but to say his governments achieved little is unfair, the massive investment into schools and the NHS alone was worthy, they were both on life support after years of tory neglect, the introduction of the minimum wage and the massive strides made in NI deserve credit too.
You would struggle to name any long term benefits of tory policy over the last 50 years .
That's why regardless of how far to the left a labour government is, its always a better option to a tory led government
His schools were sh!te - we were learning about French Francs in 2001 - when they adopted the Euro in 2000
 
Frankly its amazing that people are pinning hopes on 77 year old Uncle Joe. He's not without his fair share of skeletons either, but he looks like gold compared to the orange ape. America had a real chance at change if someone like Sanders was elected, the young really rallied behind him. As it is, some political decorum will return to the White House, but not much else will change.
 
some kind of speaker relaying information to him by vibrating his skull? The press should turn up with some devices to disrupt signals next time, send shocking vibration signals into his head.
If it was someone feeding him lines then you'd think they'd be factual rather than fabricated or indeed batsh>t crazy.
 
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