TeessideCleveland
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James Cleverly warned MPs that tactical votes could kill his leadership hopes
Dismayed senior Tories predict second contest for head of party will be needed amid chaos after centrist’s shock ejection from race
Confines them to the sidelines if so but its a depressing thought that in 3 weeks time we could have Trump as President and this brilliantine stick insect back in the limelight.That’s hilarious and another death knell for the Conservative & Unionist party![]()
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I know - lets pray for a Harris victory.....but the stick insect that is Rees-Mogg is just the boost that Labour needs and highlights how out of touch Jenrick is...Bad Enoch is even worse....the tories will fade and indirectly help Labour look better with such a terrible alternative....Confines them to the sidelines if so but its a depressing thought that in 3 weeks time we could have Trump as President and this brilliantine stick insect back in the limelight.
Think I can see what he's trying to do. If you want people to think you're less of a ****, surround yourself with even bigger *****.
He wants them to think he's more of a c**t. The immediate target electorate is the Conservative Party membership, aka c**ts' corner. At the moment he's being outc**ted by Badenoch, hence the need to bring the c**ts' c**t on board.Think I can see what he's trying to do. If you want people to think you're less of a ****, surround yourself with even bigger *****.
Problem he has of course is there aren't many bigger ***** than he is.
I know they say swearing is the sign of a lack of ability to express yourself properly but I disagree and Jack proves it here. The use of profanity is the only we he could have described this situation so eloquently. Bravo and well saidHe wants them to think he's more of a c**t. The immediate target electorate is the Conservative Party membership, aka c**ts' corner. At the moment he's being outc**ted by Badenoch, hence the need to bring the c**ts' c**t on board.
Wouldn't proportional representation have meant a huge foot hold for reform in the last election?A faltering tory party paves the way for a more extremist reform party.
A decent opposition party is crucial for democracy - esp in our current parliamentary system.
I just wish we had PR. At the moment, we just vote for the least worst.
I suspect that we are seeing a fundamental split in right wing politics. Previously the Tories were very good at "papering over the cracks" accomodating centrists and RWNJs alike. But there were always tensions under the surface. Cameron thought he could silence the RWNJs with the EU referendum. It backfired he and we lost to liars and extremists. And it appears that all that it achieved was delaying the fracturing of the party by a decade.A faltering tory party paves the way for a more extremist reform party.
It would, yes. But if thats what people vote for, thats democracy. I would vote green, if we had PR. I have voted tactically for the last 20 years against the tories .Not FOR anybody, more against the tories.Wouldn't proportional representation have meant a huge foot hold for reform in the last election?
Well said and I agree with everything you say.I suspect that we are seeing a fundamental split in right wing politics. Previously the Tories were very good at "papering over the cracks" accomodating centrists and RWNJs alike. But there were always tensions under the surface. Cameron thought he could silence the RWNJs with the EU referendum. It backfired he and we lost to liars and extremists. And it appears that all that it achieved was delaying the fracturing of the party by a decade.
It gives me hope for an extended period of moderately left leaning governance.
War is more difficult with PR but I’ve changed my view on PR when you look at how coalitions are used and formed to take countries in a direction that a minority wants but majority can’t do much about…..It would, yes. But if thats what people vote for, thats democracy. I would vote green, if we had PR. I have voted tactically for the last 20 years against the tories .Not FOR anybody, more against the tories.
If we had PR then it would be a fairer representation of what the public actually wants . With Reform Party in a PR system, they would have to debate and discuss. Reform would have to have policy and not just rhetoric, which they have now.
The risk without PR, is that Tories move to Reform and we end up with the tyranny of the majority again. Crazy decisions like Brexit would have had more debate and reasoning. I would also like to think that war and attacks on other countries would be more difficult with PR.
PR gives fringe views more representation, as it should, but then it gives the majority the chance to work together to get what the majority wants. If you have 20% of the country being racist it doesn't allow them to gain any control. It usually ends up with a coalition of the majority having to work together (which dilutes extreme views). It does become a problem if you have 3 parties with a 40/40/20 split because then the minority party is the deciding vote regularly. Multiple smaller parties gives more options.Wouldn't proportional representation have meant a huge foot hold for reform in the last election?
Starmer's Labour has already shown that it's more than willing to occupy the ground vacated by the moderate Tories - the only direction we're moving is rightwards. I can't see us getting anywhere close to left-leaning in this parliament. A few bones thrown, perhaps, but that will be it.It gives me hope for an extended period of moderately left leaning governance.
The big donors are the ones pushing the extreme right wing politics we're seeing here and in the US....the donors will, I believe step in and make it clear that if the polls are not favourable for bad Enoch or jenners then they will threaten removal of their donations and force the party back to the centre.
I gave you facts, my comments were in relation to the tory membership wont vote for a person of colour unless they have to.That’s one way of looking at it. Here’s another;
Female leaders / prime ministers:
Tories 3 Labour 0
Non-white leaders/ prime ministers
Tories 1 Labour 0
Facts, boy, give me facts. Sad, but true, Labour are still unable to elect a female or non-white leader.
I know we try and forget, and it's easy to, but the Tories have given us 3 female PMsI gave you facts, my comments were in relation to the tory membership wont vote for a person of colour unless they have to.
You changed it to women, labour have always had more female mps than the tories.
The two female PMs were lets face it awful, but if it ticked a box for you thats ok?
To be fair I'm not sure Truss is human.I know we try and forget, and it's easy to, but the Tories have given us 3 female PMs
Fair point!To be fair I'm not sure Truss is human.
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