To All The Tory Voters

[Ziggy]

The Labour Party have been in existence for 120 years. In that time they've held power for just 30 something years.
So it's obviously mainly their fault. Even if Starmer can walk on water, after the Tories have gerrymandered the boundaries, again. It will prove very difficult for them to gain power.
I think people are slowly starting to realise that, like their ancestors before them, we don't live in a modern functioning democracy.
The last 4 years especially have shown that our un-encoded constitutional arrangements based on a "Good Chaps" system is easily, and cynically corrupted.
Until this is changed...we are just pawns in the game.
Encoded Constitution
STV voting system
Elected second Chamber
Bill of Rights
Monarchy removed from politics completely.

Just a modern democracy. Like the one put together and that we had to sign off on, together with France and the US, in Germany after the war. They seemed to have done ok.

 

[LaPennaBianca]

I voted Tory and do not regret it as Labour stopped representing the working man years ago . They are now all about appeasing WOKE , Political Correctness and any other " trendy fad " that happens to be popular at the time. They could not even decide over Brexit.
Tories are far from perfect but are still a million miles more electable than Labour

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but if this is your analysis of the situation you shouldn't be allowed behind the wheel of car or to own any electrical tools.

 

[tripleheader]

I worked for 30 yrs for the NHS. Its stuck in the largest brurocracy you can imagine.
When I started the hospital I worked in was managed by a director of Nursing services and 4 Nursing officers. When I left there was over 100 managers. As a charge nurse my immediate boss had 1 person above him on the yearly management photo.
By the time I left the first 4 levels of management got their photo on and my bosses level was explained by his name only another 3 levels down.
To give you some idea of where money goes I needed 2 filing cabinets for a clinic. I saw the ones I wanted in Staples £29.99 each , obviously I can't just buy them I have to order through central stores. I looked and ordered 2 identical cabinets which arrived the next week. I had to sign for them and forward the invoice. The charge to the NHS £998.
It's a wonderful institution and vital to our country but something needs doing to sort it out so the money is spent in the right way and right areas.

And that Sir, is it in a nutshell. I've heard that from a 90 year old Aunt who left the NHS due to the high levels of bureaucracy imposed by governments during her time. She was head of Midwifery in Manchester and worked her way up from the very bottom. And how the NHS/, you and me are being screwed by suppliers and rank poor purchasing teams and systems. One thing Sir Harvey Jones was right about when talking about the NHS was let the hospitals manage themselves.

 

[Wtf]

Can I say get ****ed? Tory or not Tory. No government in the world has gone through this so stop with the utter b***ks. What would you do differently when the cretins of our world just do as want..

 

[Ricard19]

I actually voted Labour every election up to and including Tony Blair's government but stopped after his wife fought and defeated workers in court trying to uphold their working rights and also his weapons of mass destruction debacle.
Since then Tories have upped the tax threshold for workers and given me more of my earnings as income in my pocket.
Labour are not the party of the working man anymore and it's about time the died in the wool supporters woke up and smelled the coffee instead of bickering and whining.

 

[jam69]

Ah the old life long Labour supporter shyte. If you had a socialist bone in your body you could never vote for this current tory party. If you don't then you were voting for the wrong party for all those previous elections.
Shy tories, its always someone else's fault they vote for such repulsive ideology

 

[Trug]

I actually voted Labour every election up to and including Tony Blair's government but stopped after his wife fought and defeated workers in court trying to uphold their working rights and also his weapons of mass destruction debacle.
Since then Tories have upped the tax threshold for workers and given me more of my earnings as income in my pocket.
Labour are not the party of the working man anymore and it's about time the died in the wool supporters woke up and smelled the coffee instead of bickering and whining.

Since then Tories have upped the tax threshold for workers and given me more of my earnings as income in my pocket.
Perhaps- but it is at the expense of NHS, libraries, social services, the justice system, housing, defence, education. The Tories have also increased VAT so whatever you saved in income tax you paid more out in VAT. The Tories are NOT the party of low taxation. They are just good at hiding what you pay.

 

[jam69]

Since then Tories have upped the tax threshold for workers and given me more of my earnings as income in my pocket.
Perhaps- but it is at the expense of NHS, libraries, social services, the justice system, housing, defence, education. The Tories have also increased VAT so whatever you saved in income tax you paid more out in VAT. The Tories are NOT the party of low taxation. They are just good at hiding what you pay.

And good at hiding what they pay too

 

[Ex Footy Legs]

for some bone idle people the state does unfortunately give them everything. They contribute nothing to society and won’t work.

I’ve never claimed in my lifetime but you’re just the kind that should be sent to USA and not allowed back.

 

[Blf]

Ah the old life long Labour supporter shyte. If you had a socialist bone in your body you could never vote for this current tory party. If you don't then you were voting for the wrong party for all those previous elections.
Shy tories, its always someone else's fault they vote for such repulsive ideology

Repulsive to you maybe but then people with your views were in a minority yet again at the election.
Corbyn and his colleagues made the labour party a party I couldnt vote for after voting Labour at every election since 1976. You dismiss lifelong labour supporters so easily .I dont need to give you my reasons but surely you should be wondering why you are in such a minority rather than having a go the majority that voted and went in another direction.

 

[Ex Footy Legs]

Since then Tories have upped the tax threshold for workers and given me more of my earnings as income in my pocket.
Perhaps- but it is at the expense of NHS, libraries, social services, the justice system, housing, defence, education. The Tories have also increased VAT so whatever you saved in income tax you paid more out in VAT. The Tories are NOT the party of low taxation. They are just good at hiding what you pay.

Well said
Ricard: you’re just the type of airhead the Tories target.

 

[ThatFragranceGuy]

Repulsive to you maybe but then people with your views were in a minority yet again at the election.
Corbyn and his colleagues made the labour party a party I couldnt vote for after voting Labour at every election since 1976. You dismiss lifelong labour supporters so easily .I dont need to give you my reasons but surely you should be wondering why you are in such a minority rather than having a go the majority that voted and went in another direction.

Surely you realise that many people voted on this election because brexit got tossed in there along with a general election? Some people even voted tory despite no allegiance to them at all purely to “get
Brexit done” etc and get that oven ready deal sorted.

Conservatives picked up 74% of leave voters based on their brexit stance compared to 14% for Labour. Not rocket science

 

[Ex Footy Legs]

Repulsive to you maybe but then people with your views were in a minority yet again at the election.
Corbyn and his colleagues made the labour party a party I couldnt vote for after voting Labour at every election since 1976. You dismiss lifelong labour supporters so easily .I dont need to give you my reasons but surely you should be wondering why you are in such a minority rather than having a go the majority that voted and went in another direction.

BLF
I disliked corbyn very much but Johnson was and is proving more dangerous to this country
The Tories mugged you into voting for them over an ‘oven ready deal’ that has evaporated as it must of been put on for too long eh ?

 

[BoroMart]

I voted Tory and do not regret it as Labour stopped representing the working man years ago . They are now all about appeasing WOKE , Political Correctness and any other " trendy fad " that happens to be popular at the time. They could not even decide over Brexit.
Tories are far from perfect but are still a million miles more electable than Labour

Oh dear, I think this is called drinking from the kool-aid.

 

[BoroMart]

I worked for 30 yrs for the NHS. Its stuck in the largest brurocracy you can imagine.
When I started the hospital I worked in was managed by a director of Nursing services and 4 Nursing officers. When I left there was over 100 managers. As a charge nurse my immediate boss had 1 person above him on the yearly management photo.
By the time I left the first 4 levels of management got their photo on and my bosses level was explained by his name only another 3 levels down.
To give you some idea of where money goes I needed 2 filing cabinets for a clinic. I saw the ones I wanted in Staples £29.99 each , obviously I can't just buy them I have to order through central stores. I looked and ordered 2 identical cabinets which arrived the next week. I had to sign for them and forward the invoice. The charge to the NHS £998.
It's a wonderful institution and vital to our country but something needs doing to sort it out so the money is spent in the right way and right areas.

You are conflating two issues here. 1) the organisational structure and 2) the procurement process.

Lets look at the org structure. The NHS is one of the biggest and most complicated organisations in europe. Without a complex management structure it would be utterly ineffective. It requires a huge amount of governance, because a) it works in a regulated sector, b) it is vulnerable to legal action for any failures, and c) as a government body it has to show good corporate governance. NHS governance cost is huge, but so would any alternative private org in this sector.

When it comes to procurement, yes there are some problems, yes there are some issues, procurement doesn't often work well, and the government outsources much of this kind of thing as a service to the usual 'service' companies. There are some terrible monolithic contracts in government that give poor value.

 

[Ex Footy Legs]

I voted Tory and do not regret it as Labour stopped representing the working man years ago . They are now all about appeasing WOKE , Political Correctness and any other " trendy fad " that happens to be popular at the time. They could not even decide over Brexit.
Tories are far from perfect but are still a million miles more electable than Labour

Hahaha. Another village is missing one.
(Oops, played the man instead of the ball again hickton.
Sometimes, someone needs a kicking though to remind them, their in a ‘game’
That game played by Tories is; ‘working men and women, we get you, you want lower direct taxation and more indirect taxation that you’re not bright enough to spot, whilst we do that (so we don’t have to tax our rich and powerful friends) we’ll seriously underfund public services (which you normal folk rely on) to ensure people look to migrate to private sector more and line the pockets of our rich and powerful friends’
Vote Tory - and vote for a bullet in your working mans gut.

 

[ticker_tape]

Another one I've put on ignore, a new poster invented and his first post warned by smoggy boys little gang leader.



Why do they always pretend they voted for Labour once upon a time ffs,when we know they aren't Labour , over the years I've spoken to quite a few shy Tories on here... We know you're Tories we know you love Farage and voted for body bag Boris to help underfund the NHS.

 

[SuperStu]

but surely you should be wondering why you are in such a minority rather than having a go the majority that voted and went in another direction.

The tories didn't get a majority of the vote they got a plurality.

And Corbyn's 'such a minority' last year was more votes than Miliband or Brown managed, more than Blair in 2005, and only just behind the number of Blair votes in 2001.

 

[bear66]

The tories didn't get a majority of the vote they got a plurality.

And Corbyn's 'such a minority' last year was more votes than Miliband or Brown managed, more than Blair in 2005, and only just behind the number of Blair votes in 2001.

And 2 million Tory voters had never voted in a GE before, and they weren't 18 year olds voting for the first time.

 

[HolgateCorner]

Another one I've put on ignore, a new poster invented and his first post warned by smoggy boys little gang leader.



Why do they always pretend they voted for Labour once upon a time ffs,when we know they aren't Labour , over the years I've spoken to quite a few shy Tories on here... We know you're Tories we know you love Farage and voted for body bag Boris to help underfund the NHS.