To All The Tory Voters

ticker_tape said:
Tbh Erimus while not Hard left myself I detest Tories and always will, I'm no different to majority of posters on here as it it mainly a left wing board, you always seen to dislike me posting against Tory apologists.
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I'm pretty similar, I'm hardly a hard leftie, in fact I'm opposed to politics at both extreme ends of the scale. I want a practical, pragmatic, and balanced political strategy. I want a social support network in case something goes bad in my life, I want free healthcare, and some form of state pension and I'm happy to pay my taxes so that other people have that too. But I don't want anyone to have unlimited access to free welfare that makes it pointless working......on the other hand I want practical and sensible taxation that stops the runaway accumulation of wealth for the very rich. I want tax loopholes removed, I don't want to hand my children so much money when I die they don't need to put a bit of effort in themselves to make it in life. I don't want mulit-national chains eating up all competition. I don't want want Serco getting enormous government contracts, through being friends of a Lord or through the wife of a cabinet minister.

I believe when you can get 80+% of the people in this country to sit down and talk about these political policies, without prejudice, they actually agree with it. But then when you start talking about which party is best placed to do that, the influence of the the media negatively influences the debate. The biggest contributors to media in this country are firmly on the right, the most money is firmly on the right, the loudest voices are firmly on the right.. That is the biggest issue we face in this debate, and it's been like this for all my life with very little change. If anything the reach of the right through social media has made it worse, as seen by the use of social media by Cambridge Analytica, paid for with sterling from Tory backers.
 
Michael_Vronsky said:
Exactly. I read some pretty vile anti BLM stuff on here recently and plenty seemed to 'like' the posts and agree.
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it's the influence of the right wing. Lets be honest the right wing fear that working class people of all colours work together, so they try and turn them against each other. They know fine well, that BLM means Black Lives Matter as much as white ones, but try and paint it as something more sinister. They will pick the one bad apple and elevate their voice to undermine the whole moment, they will amplify it as being 'communist', based on spurious at best evidence. Those that are too feeble to think, but instead follow, jump on that band wagon of hate for an essentially good cause.
 
BoroMart said:
it's the influence of the right wing. Lets be honest the right wing fear that working class people of all colours work together, so they try and turn them against each other. They know fine well, that BLM means Black Lives Matter as much as white ones, but try and paint it as something more sinister. They will pick the one bad apple and elevate their voice to undermine the whole moment, they will amplify it as being 'communist', based on spurious at best evidence. Those that are too feeble to think, but instead follow, jump on that band wagon of hate for an essentially good cause.
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Absolutely. Bang on. It makes me laugh (actually it revolts me) when posters come on here and shout at left leaning people for their opinions and then say nothing when posters write openly racist posts.
 
Ricard19 is nothing but a troll. No history of football related posts yet he comes on here telling folk to 'open their minds' having disclosed that he is a UKIP voter.

I'll tell you what, he is a F***ing toss pot.

So I will invite anyone who has a problem with me saying that to block me NOW.

No one is 'hard left' on this board but I tell you what the racists amongst us are so F***ing obvious it's unbelievable.
 
BoroFur said:
Ricard19 is nothing but a troll. No history of football related posts yet he comes on here telling folk to 'open their minds' having disclosed that he is a UKIP voter.

I'll tell you what, he is a F***ing toss pot.

So I will invite anyone who has a problem with me saying that to block me NOW.

No one is 'hard left' on this board but I tell you what the racists amongst us are so F***ing obvious it's unbelievable.
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Keyboard warrior eh! Surprised I've not been branded as a racist as that is the left wing way if people disagree with their agenda.
You have spent time searching my FMTTM history yet I've supported Boro since 1973 but usually reply to posts rather than start them.
I'd love you to call me that to my face .
You sum up the tawdry side of left wing supporters by retorting to insults if people disagree with your views. You are acting like a 6 year old!
 
Ricard19 said:
Keyboard warrior eh! Surprised I've not been branded as a racist as that is the left wing way if people disagree with their agenda.
You have spent time searching my FMTTM history yet I've supported Boro since 1973 but usually reply to posts rather than start them.
I'd love you to call me that to my face .
You sum up the tawdry side of left wing supporters by retorting to insults if people disagree with your views. You are acting like a 6 year old!
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You will find the tawdry side of right wing supporters retort to insults, is to insult those they are accusing of insulting them.

Please refer to categories of discourse posted earlier on this thread.

Are you aware of the origins of the terms "left" and "right"?

In the days of the French "Court" - those in favour of Government decrees and decisions filed into the chamber via the right - side door.
Those who disagreed, filed into the chamber through the left side door.

Hence, the terms have been used as a means of defining, debasing and marginalising politics: the assumption being that there is a "centre" which is symbolised by the Government - the status quo.

Neither term tells us anything.
 
BoroMart said:
If you ask some of the more, erm, 'extreme' people on here then "hard left" is anyone who believes in enacting a single social system is "hard left". It's gaslighting, even though they don't know it
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I see.
Had to look up "gaslighting".
My Great Grandad, had Gas Lights in his little terraced house.
He also had a black range with an oven which never went out.
It was fired by the biggest chunks of wood and coal I ever saw.
As a 10 year old, I would spend Saturday morning brekkin up the coal and chopping wood.
He gave me a "tanner" and I got another "tanner" for taking the pop bottles back to the Offy.
His Daughter, my Nan, had a gas fridge - with a little pilot - light.
He died in the early 70`s - an they knocked his house down to build a grey, drab, concrete housing estate.
My Nans little terraced house is still there - occupied - built in 1890.
The coal fires have gone and the chimney is capped.
Its double - glazed and the drain pipes are plastic, not cast - iron.

Eee. I loved those little old terraces. Where I was brought up.
 
Ricard19 said:
Keyboard warrior eh! Surprised I've not been branded as a racist as that is the left wing way if people disagree with their agenda.
You have spent time searching my FMTTM history yet I've supported Boro since 1973 but usually reply to posts rather than start them.
I'd love you to call me that to my face .
You sum up the tawdry side of left wing supporters by retorting to insults if people disagree with your views. You are acting like a 6 year old!
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"I'd love you to call me that to my face"

"You are acting like a 6 year old!"

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