To All The Tory Voters

Cooper671 said:
Actually the first one is an assessment I know the other is failed to attend
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Cheers this old man memory is not what it used to be.

What I would say, and I am not blaming the DWP, it is unforgivable that this should have happened. I can't remember the number but it was in the thousands that had died after sanctions. I know the figure may be inflated with deaths from unrelated causes, I have no idea what the true number would be, but if it is just the two highlighted, it is two too many.
 
BoroMart said:
Surely the old etonian, Oxbridge, offshore account holding, old money, landed gentry, royalist, Tories ARE the establishment. Your statement above seems to indicate that you believe that the trade unions and Jeremy, beardy, Palestinian supporting, anti-royal, socialist, non-university educated Corbyn is more 'establishmen't than the Tories?! I think you need to learn to understand the history of the establishment, the battle for workers right from the unions, and Corbyn (love or loath him) a little more before making such silly comments.
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Did Corbyn never go to Uni? I didn't know he was a thickie!
 
Laughing said:
There was a 10 day delay between the advice been given and it being followed, that is public record - I don't care what Witty thinks as to what is reasonably expected, that is not his area of expertise.



Well I never argues this, but here goes, of course he defends his actions. He isn't about to admit political failure, nor does it say anything about whether advice was followed.

Go read the redacted SAGE minutes and make up your own mind. Nothing you say here counters my argument, nor does it address your comment about Labour would have done the same thing. It simply addressess' nothing.
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I've read the Sage minutes, nowhere does it mention the country should be in lockdown just additional social distancing measures...they don't even recommend school closures at this point.
Here is the summary from the minutes themselves..16th March looks like you're wrong Laughing....or maybe it just suits your political agenda ?


1. On the basis of accumulating data, including on NHS critical care capacity, the advice from SAGE has changed regarding the speed of implementation of additional
interventions.
2. SAGE advises that there is clear evidence to support additional social distancing
measures be introduced as soon as possible.
3. These additional measures will need to be accompanied by a significant increase in testing and the availability of near real-time data flows to understand their impacts.
4. SAGE will further review at its next meeting whether, in the light of new data, school closures may also be required to prevent NHS capacity being exceeded.
5. SAGE did not review the work on intermittent application of measures nationally or geographically in detail but will do so.
 
BoroMart said:
That's not true though, Labour didn't get the UN writing reports about the massive increase in people entering poverty that we have witnessed in the last 10 years. Be a bit more truthful fella
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https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/gap-between-uk-rich-and-poor-widening-1446340

Why just go back 10 years? Ive lived on Teesside for 50 and in that time the lack of investment should be a source of embarrassment to all parties, labour included. I have no allegiance to any party as they are all the same in my eyes. Now they will be accountable for their actions whoever is in power. That for me is the biggest benefit of being out of the EU. I am not going to answer every reply on here as everyone has their own life experiences which mould their political beliefs. Some are so entrenched they will always vote one way, no matter what. When people voted to leave the EU the establishment did everything they could to prevent it, soft brexit, hard brexit, when really it was in or out. Believe it or not Corbyn gave me a feel good factor for politics. His policies seemed genuine and fair and I could definitely have bought into him being PM. His policy of free broadband for all was absolutely brilliant. Unfortunately, in my opinion the establishment behind him did not want him to be PM so labour decided to fight on a remain ticket. That was absolutely self defeating as it was the labour heartlands that voted leave. In my eyes he was stitched up by the labour party. Also, I am not really that politically motivated . I have got wise to all political parties, expecting them to make my life better, when really I have to do that for myself.
 
" I have got wise to all political parties, expecting them to make my life better, when really I have to do that for myself."


Its a fair point, however, in my experience its more rewarding to be on a level playing field rather on an uphill struggle for a lifetime.




The BIG print giveth and the small print taketh away.
 
"the establishment did everything they could to prevent it, soft brexit, hard brexit, when really it was in or out"

That's exactly the problem, it was never a simple 'in or out' and it was the establishment (including a number of high-profile Leavers) who tried to make it appear that simple when it never ever was.
 
starplayer said:
Why just go back 10 years?
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I thought that was obvious. Austerity was an ideological strategy aimed at removing social systems to alleviate the need to tax the rich.

I mean if you think that the prosperity of the late 90s early 00s for the majority of people is comparable to today's world then you haven't been paying attention. Real world wages for the vast majority have never recovered from austerity brought in by the financial crash. The exclusion to that are the very wealthy who have garnered a greater share of the nations wealth, through disaster capitalism.

Late 90s and early 00s were not perfect, nothing is, but the financial situation for the vast majority was a lot better than it is today.
 
Always baffled when someone resurrects a months old thread like this. Especially without some sort of explanation on their post.
 
Those arrogant barstewards who talk of "Tory voters" [as if they are sub-human] are as divisive as the dregs of Capitalism who blame the poor for being poor, or pit race against race.
How people vote can be changed by education, campaigning and bitter experience.
Its not the voters......
Its the "choices" they are presented with.
To all those who voted: I dont agree who you voted for, but at least you voted - now lets pursuade the rest who didnt, to vote next time (y)
 
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SuperStu said:
Always baffled when someone resurrects a months old thread like this. Especially without some sort of explanation on their post.
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Plaz basically rambles on both sides, you can see him supporting trump or Labour one day and the opposite the next. Having seen his fb profile previously you’d struggle to convince me it isn’t just a novelty account fishing for reactions.
 
r00fie1 said:
Those arrogant barstewards who talk of "Tory voters" [as if they are sub-human] are as divisive as the dregs of Capitalism who blame the poor for being poor, or pit race against race.
How people vote can be changed by education, campaigning and bitter experience.
Its not the voters......
Its the "choices" they are presented with.
To all those who voted: I dont agree who you voted for, but at least you voted - now lets pursuade the rest who didnt, to vote next time (y)
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What a brilliant post. Far too many on here play the man and not the ball. Disagreement is healthy but personalising it is not.
 
I voted Tory and do not regret it as Labour stopped representing the working man years ago . They are now all about appeasing WOKE , Political Correctness and any other " trendy fad " that happens to be popular at the time. They could not even decide over Brexit.
Tories are far from perfect but are still a million miles more electable than Labour
 
Ricard19 said:
I voted Tory and do not regret it as Labour stopped representing the working man years ago . They are now all about appeasing WOKE , Political Correctness and any other " trendy fad " that happens to be popular at the time. They could not even decide over Brexit.
Tories are far from perfect but are still a million miles more electable than Labour
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Put on your tin hat and take cover!!!!
 
Ricard19 said:
I voted Tory and do not regret it as Labour stopped representing the working man years ago . They are now all about appeasing WOKE , Political Correctness and any other " trendy fad " that happens to be popular at the time. They could not even decide over Brexit.
Tories are far from perfect but are still a million miles more electable than Labour
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Yeah, us working class lads like our grouses shot, our money given to billionaires and our foreigners gone.
 
My Mam ,(whose Dad was a significant player in the early Labour Party in Durham)said something that has always struck me as key in understanding the working class Tory voter.
"In some areas the Labour did their job TOO well ", it created divisions within the working class where one worker would look down on another where in reality if to can't live without working you are absolutely working class and essentially the same
The Tories have worked tirelessly to undo the advances of the first Labour Government.Gained by a nation who had fought two world wars based on gaining a land fit for heroes.
They, the Tories are almost there, and until some people, convinced by trinkets and in some cases good rewards ( until they are no longer profitable.) they will create a true Capitalist society where an individual is valued in pure economic terms.

We now have food banks, how long before people can no longer afford fuel and they become Soup Kitchens??

Those brighter, smarter and harder working deserve reward, if you put the base of measuring scale of wealth as a foodbank, then you don't have to have too much ( nice car nice house) to feel a hell of a lot better off, whereas your really just floating above the bottom.
Ask yourself how many month with no income it would take for you current position to crumble.
Ask your self why a system that allows you to be in such a perilous position is in place.
Surely, such a system would only benefit the wealthy who could turn the screw when things get bad and become even more wealthy and powerful?
Ask your self why a lot ( not all) of very wealthy people are Tories? It's an easy question.
Why someone whose world could be turned upside down in a matter of months if not weeks
f*****g vote Tory is a far harder question.
 
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