To all the 2019 Tory voters...

It always amazes me when all the news channels hit the streets to gain public opinion on the goings on in Downing Street.... how many do they interview with the response of "he got all the big calls right" or "he's doing the best he can" or "who is there to replace him, just let him get on with job" AND THAT WAS LAST NIGHT..........lot's of work to be done.
 
Warwickboro said:
I'm a Labour voter like everyone else. But when are Labour voters going to realise that gloating and pointing at people that don't vote the same way, and basically being a "you know what" probably drives more voters to this corrupt bunch, were actually part of the problem.
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Therein lies a problem with this board - it's pro left wing and a poster is now stating that everybody voted Labour. Its hardly surprising that posters with an alternative view or political persuasion don't bother posting as they very rarely get the chance to debate rationally without being personally insulted and almost railroaded to the point of thinking "why bother?"
As an aside - I've not actually stated my political preferences and you may well be surprised if you did know!
I'm merely offering an opinion that this board can get very unpleasant and hostile at times.
 
Boroboyyo said:
Sorry, but corbyn never was the left of centre politician here make him out to be . He was hard left, you could see it in who he appointed in his shadow cabinet. The appointment of McDonnell to handle finances tells you everything you need to know.

Funny you mention I’m swayed by the media. The media tend to be hard on centrist and left wing Labour as it’s Tory dominated , yet I’ve got no problem voting for centrist Labour.

The fact is people were warning about Labour not drifting too far to the left or it would alienate voters . Johnson would most likely not have commanded the majority he does now if the Labour leader was a moderate . A moderate remain leader might have taken enough votes off the centrist Lib Dems to stop the tories if they did
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which of his policies were hard left?
 
I'm a Labour voter like everyone else. But when are Labour voters going to realise that gloating and pointing at people that don't vote the same way, and basically being a "you know what" probably drives more voters to this corrupt bunch, were actually part of the problem.



because a person types it, dont make it the truth.

read this persons other posts - it indicates otherwise - some will turn-coat at every opportunity.

thats just how they are.

false sock puppets
 
festa5 said:
Ok. But that doesn't address any of the points I made does it?

Everyone's definition of "far left" is different depending on their starting point. Do you really think he'd have tried to turn us into somewhere like Venezuela. And if so how would he have managed it with, in all likelihood, a minority government and the vast majority of his own MPs against it?

The Nordic model many would say is left wing. Not left of centre. Left wing. Those on the right might even say it's far left. That's in all likelihood where we would have moved closer to. If you were against that or scared of that, then why?
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I never said he was far left , I said he was hard left . I never said corbyn was a communist , which is what I consider far left to be.

To quote some poster here about what policies were too left for the country . While not all economic arguments there are a few here that make him hard left :

- he is known for being anti nato . Putin would have loved him for that . I don’t think Ukraine would be getting the support it is now if corbyn was in charge . I could imagine him actually claiming nato initiated the aggression and Ukraine should cede land for peace (even though it would have emboldened Putin).

- he’s against using nukes if we were attacked with them . Again putin would love to hear that . Saying that actually makes us more likely to be nuked as it removes the deterrence of MAD for the Russians .

- free internet . I think this was a policy that made people take him less seriously at the last election to be honest .

- even though it didn’t become official policy , there was talk of forcibly making the rich house people in their 2nd homes . Redistribution like that is certainly socialist rhetoric

Not to mention McConnell was actually seen in the commons with the book of the most homocidal dictator in history (who was actually far left)

It was also known he has sympathies to Irish nationalists . Yes you could argue you need to hear both sides of a debate but corbyn had never been cited with northern Irish unionist politicians
 
Boroboyyo said:
I never said he was far left , I said he was hard left . I never said corbyn was a communist , which is what I consider far left to be.

To quote some poster here about what policies were too left for the country . While not all economic arguments there are a few here that make him hard left :

- he is known for being anti nato . Putin would have loved him for that . I don’t think Ukraine would be getting the support it is now if corbyn was in charge . I could imagine him actually claiming nato initiated the aggression and Ukraine should cede land for peace (even though it would have emboldened Putin).

- he’s against using nukes if we were attacked with them . Again putin would love to hear that . Saying that actually makes us more likely to be nuked as it removes the deterrence of MAD for the Russians .

- free internet . I think this was a policy that made people take him less seriously at the last election to be honest .

- even though it didn’t become official policy , there was talk of forcibly making the rich house people in their 2nd homes . Redistribution like that is certainly socialist rhetoric

Not to mention McConnell was actually seen in the commons with the book of the most homocidal dictator in history (who was actually far left)

It was also known he has sympathies to Irish nationalists . Yes you could argue you need to hear both sides of a debate but corbyn had never been cited with northern Irish unionist politicians
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So not much there about socialist policies you said you were so worried about. More about Corbyn's personal views, which is fine but you said "socialist governments are that bad" and still not really backed up why you think that.

Just because Corbyn himself is left wing, does not make all his views on things left wing.

So it's not so much socialism you were afraid of but Jeremy Corbyn.

There's a list just as long by the way that you can level at Boris Johnson. Longer in fact. But less media coverage pointing out his flaws in the run up to the election of course.
 
Boroboyyo said:
I never said he was far left , I said he was hard left . I never said corbyn was a communist , which is what I consider far left to be.

To quote some poster here about what policies were too left for the country . While not all economic arguments there are a few here that make him hard left :

- he is known for being anti nato . Putin would have loved him for that . I don’t think Ukraine would be getting the support it is now if corbyn was in charge . I could imagine him actually claiming nato initiated the aggression and Ukraine should cede land for peace (even though it would have emboldened Putin).

- he’s against using nukes if we were attacked with them . Again putin would love to hear that . Saying that actually makes us more likely to be nuked as it removes the deterrence of MAD for the Russians .

- free internet . I think this was a policy that made people take him less seriously at the last election to be honest .

- even though it didn’t become official policy , there was talk of forcibly making the rich house people in their 2nd homes . Redistribution like that is certainly socialist rhetoric

Not to mention McConnell was actually seen in the commons with the book of the most homocidal dictator in history (who was actually far left)

It was also known he has sympathies to Irish nationalists . Yes you could argue you need to hear both sides of a debate but corbyn had never been cited with northern Irish unionist politicians
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WTF is that supposed to mean. I have read books about Jack The Ripper, it does not make me a serial killer, or about Cambodia under Pol Pot it does not make me want to commit genocide.

Not even gonna bother with the rest of the twaddle you posted but had to mention that as its wins the nonsense of the day award. Well done.
 
Erimus11 said:
Therein lies a problem with this board - it's pro left wing and a poster is now stating that everybody voted Labour. Its hardly surprising that posters with an alternative view or political persuasion don't bother posting as they very rarely get the chance to debate rationally without being personally insulted and almost railroaded to the point of thinking "why bother?"
As an aside - I've not actually stated my political preferences and you may well be surprised if you did know!
I'm merely offering an opinion that this board can get very unpleasant and hostile at times.
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I'm not sure if you've picked up that I agree with you. Even if you voted tory I agree with this statement pal. This constant want and need to call tory voters thick and so on is a huge issue. I'm desperate for a Labour Government, but people shouldn't be called out for exercising theor democratic rights, or having alternative views / opinions. The fact is that something about Labour has turned people off for a very long time. it isn't just people falling for the narrative of the tories, its also a problem with Labour and us Labour supporters, encapsulated by the insults thrown out on a regular basis, social medianis always awash with it, and whenever you read mesaage boards and social comms you'd be forgiven for thinking a Labour landslide was on the way during previous elections. Then sure as day turns to night, the silent millions who are shamed into silence through insults, and being called thicknrletc go out and vite tory!! The tories voters do this too (throw insults, particularlyto corbyn fans), but its high time we just inform people what an alternative government can do to improve things for tory voters instead of this constant political shaming, and threads titled "to all those who voted Conservative" or to all those who wanted brexit". Why don't we try to get through to people without getting theor backs up!!! Kier starmer seems to be getting a grip on this now which is great!!!
 
de pfeffel hasnt resigned - as leader or PM - he just said that he would - however the bloke is a liar and has no principles around honesty.

by september the world could be in a different place.

he is playing for time.
 
Johnny Vincents Motorbike said:
de pfeffel hasnt resigned - as leader or PM - he just said that he would - however the bloke is a liar and has no principles around honesty.

by september the world could be in a different place.

he is playing for time.
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There is no going back from this;

'Thank you, thank you!

“It is clearly now the will of the Parliamentary Conservative party that there should be a new leader of that party and therefore a new prime minister.

“And I’ve agreed with Sir Graham Brady, the chairman of our back bench MPs, that the process of choosing that new leader should begin now.

“The timetable will be announced next week and I’ve today appointed a Cabinet to serve, as I will, until a new leader is in place.'
 
Millbrook said:
There is no going back from this;

'Thank you, thank you!

“It is clearly now the will of the Parliamentary Conservative party that there should be a new leader of that party and therefore a new prime minister.

“And I’ve agreed with Sir Graham Brady, the chairman of our back bench MPs, that the process of choosing that new leader should begin now.

“The timetable will be announced next week and I’ve today appointed a Cabinet to serve, as I will, until a new leader is in place.'
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so you agree that he hasnt resigned !?

just said he would

your sounding like the tory woman on question time who pulled a network rail letter out and said what she wanted it to say - it didnt say no compulsory redundancies - and de pfeffel only said he would - but hasnt.
 
Johnny Vincents Motorbike said:
so you agree that he hasnt resigned !?

just said he would

your sounding like the tory woman on question time who pulled a network rail letter out and said what she wanted it to say - it didnt say no compulsory redundancies - and de pfeffel only said he would - but hasnt.
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He did not use the word but by acknowledging there will be a new leader he has started the process of resignation.

If he had resigned immediately then someone would have had to take his place on an interim basis. Whether that would have been a good thing is a matter of conjecture.

My response was aimed at the strange assertion 'that he was playing for time'.
 
Johnny Vincents Motorbike said:
so you agree - he has NOT resigned.

as we type - 17:50 07/07/22 - he is still the leader of the tories and the prime minister.
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Agreed but the thing I was taking exception to was the weird assertion 'that he was playing for time'

Perhaps in the fantasy world you live in you could enlighten us what you expect him to do?
 
Millbrook said:
Agreed but the thing I was taking exception to was the weird assertion 'that he was playing for time'

Perhaps in the fantasy world you live in you could enlighten us what you expect him to do?
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It's not a weird assertion.

A number of political commentators have suggested he might be doing just that. Cummings is sure of it. Rory Stewart has known him most of his life and thinks that's what he might be doing.

They might be wrong but it's not a weird assertion. Given Johnson's track record is a pretty reasonable theory.
 
I agreed with you in post 57 but you are avoiding the issue I was querying so either your comprehension is poor or you realise that it was a silly comment to make about playing for time.
 
festa5 said:
It's not a weird assertion.

A number of political commentators have suggested he might be doing just that. Cummings is sure of it. Rory Stewart has known him most of his life and thinks that's what he might be doing.

They might be wrong but it's not a weird assertion. Given Johnson's track record is a pretty reasonable theory.
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OK I will concede that in his warped mind he may hope that something might happen before a new leader is appointed and he will be welcomed back.
 
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