Time for VAR

Caesium137

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both 60 mins of ball rolling to prevent time wasting, managed by the VAR system
I totally agree on that, two halves of 30 minutes 'in play' should be the norm, with all timings managed by the fourth official.

I must admit time keeping and players being 'injured' fooks me off more than bad decisions from the ref most of the time.

If a player goes down injured, the 'in play' clock should stop (ideally visible to all in the stadium), and it should be an automatic 1 minute assessment on the side lines for the injured player as the game continues without them, after the 60 second assessment, if they are able to continue, the fourth official allows the magically recovered player back on.

I'm sick of constant game management type cheating.
 
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Caesium137

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I totally agree on that, two halves of 30 minutes 'in play' should be the norm, with all timings managed by the fourth official.

I must admit time keeping and players being 'injured' fooks me off more than bad decisions from the ref most of the time.

If a player goes down injured, the 'in play' clock should stop (ideally visible to all in the stadium), and it should be an automatic 1 minute assessment on the side lines for the injured player as the game continues without them, after the 60 second assessment, if they are able to continue, the fourth official allows the magically recovered player back on.

I'm sick on constant game management type cheating.
Oh and injured players off the pitch rolling back over the white line into play should be an instant red and three game ban...............................

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Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret

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oh those people, means 'sensible rational people' rather than the anti-VAR 'bedwetting change fearing, jumpers for goalposts oranges at half time bovril and wagon wheel' types. It's 2021 man, move with the times, don't fear it
What a load of horse****. I've given my reason why I don't like it. Why not engage with that.
 

changingman

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I think it being at odds with people's enjoyment of the game isn't a counter-argument in this sense, and certainly doesn't outweigh the financial considerations.

VAR has been in the Premier League for two seasons now and I believe they're still attracting record TV rights auctions? Otherwise people would be turning off around the goal and the price of the commodity would reduce surely?

Granted the experience at the ground is a concern, but the days of the concerns of supporters in stadiums versus those watching at home on TV are over (wrongly in my view). The audience is global, not sat in one football location.

Incidentally I've only been to two matches where VAR was in operation (and it wasn't used at one). The other, a PSG game, the game turned on a VAR penalty decision five minutes from time. Didn't have a clue what it was for in the ground, and still don't now as I haven't watched the highlights.
 

afcb_acklam

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the single worst thing for me is that it takes away spontaneity - there is no point in celebrating a goal wildly, as it has to be checked and is quite often ruled out for some minor indiscretion. I suppose whether or not u think righting the wrong of the minor indiscretion is more important than the goal, is at the heart of the matter. I found it a massive issue to my enjoyment of watching a game.
 

Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret

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I think it being at odds with people's enjoyment of the game isn't a counter-argument in this sense, and certainly doesn't outweigh the financial considerations.

VAR has been in the Premier League for two seasons now and I believe they're still attracting record TV rights auctions? Otherwise people would be turning off around the goal and the price of the commodity would reduce surely?

Granted the experience at the ground is a concern, but the days of the concerns of supporters in stadiums versus those watching at home on TV are over (wrongly in my view). The audience is global, not sat in one football location.

Incidentally I've only been to two matches where VAR was in operation (and it wasn't used at one). The other, a PSG game, the game turned on a VAR penalty decision five minutes from time. Didn't have a clue what it was for in the ground, and still don't now as I haven't watched the highlights.
Surveys have shown that TV fans are in favour of VAR. supporters are against it. The championship has very large attendances but it's shown on C5 or something. Long may this continue. I've already lost F1 thanks to sky and their supporters, I don't want to lose football as well.
 

Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret

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because I gave my reasons why I'm for it and you threw out a trite "you're one of those people comment". goose, gander etc.
But what you posted was an absolute load of rubbish! Why would I want to watch someone rolling a dice? It's not entertaining. I watch football because it's entertaining.
Besides which your argument could equally be applied to supporters of VAR due to its application only in situations where there is a red card or sending off.
You're intelligent enough to see this.

Essentially it comes down to people who enjoy the game in different ways. If you are someone like me who enjoys the emotional impact of the game VAR fundamentally alters that.
I'd much rather people said "we understand it takes away a lot of the enjoyment you get from the game and we don't care" rather than coming up with facile arguments and calling people luddites, which isn't an argument it's just an insult.

The championship is football enjoyed primarily by live audiences and not TV ones. Let's cater to the audience and not go down the VAR route.
 

BoroMart

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But what you posted was an absolute load of rubbish! Why would I want to watch someone rolling a dice? It's not entertaining. I watch football because it's entertaining.
Watching a referee ruin the game, through chance, also ruins the game. I have different views to you, you don't respect that, and that's fine, but that doesn't make anything I said rubbish, and you've pout no case forward for it to be.

Besides which your argument could equally be applied to supporters of VAR due to its application only in situations where there is a red card or sending off.
VAR isn't the answer to everything in it's current form, but it reduces the amount of glaring errors, massively, you are intelligent enough to see that, you just don't value having the laws applied as being as important as me.

Essentially it comes down to people who enjoy the game in different ways. If you are someone like me who enjoys the emotional impact of the game VAR fundamentally alters that.
Not necessarily, I enjoy the emotion of the game, I wouldn't put effort into teaching kids if I didn't. I just value the ethos of sport more than you. I jokingly used to say that Footy was soap opera for men. But actually it's fundamentally more than that, it's competitive, it's rule based, and application of rules is important. I'm a pragmatist in that we can't get 100% correct decisions, but we can't have glaring errors occurring.

I'd much rather people said "we understand it takes away a lot of the enjoyment you get from the game and we don't care" rather than coming up with facile arguments and calling people luddites, which isn't an argument it's just an insult.
I'd much rather people said "we understand that it's a sport with rules and laws, but I just want to enjoy it without any delays, I don't care about having rules", rather than coming up with facile arguments and calling people 'those types', which isn't an argument it's just an insult. But this part is all just a facile argument, because I didn't call anyone a "luddite", yes I explained that some people fear change (not technology specific, but general change, I'd say it was an allusion of conservatism not luddite), and they do, but I aimed it in your direction in response to your insult :rolleyes: 🤦‍♂️ greenhouses, bricks and all that

The championship is football enjoyed primarily by live audiences and not TV ones. Let's cater to the audience and not go down the VAR route.
The championship is the 5th richest league in the world, with 150mill at stake for promotion.....lets get the sporting ethos right, with correct decisions, the entertainment and drama will look after itself....including, if necessary, laughing at Derby score a 90th minute goal, in game to save themselves from relegation, only to see it chalked out for offside by a foot. What could be better drama than that?!
 
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