Time for VAR

Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret

Well-known member
Mart your argument that all people who like VAR may as well watch someone rolling a dice is a load of rubbish. It really is. It's a terrible terrible argument. You must know that when typing it out. Why stop at goal decisions. Why not apply it to all decisions. Should everyone not in favour of this just go watch some bloke rolling a dice instead.

Watching something happen. Reacting to it. And then realising that all youve just seen has been wiped out, is false did not happen is something which is widely derided. If you watched all of breaking bad and it turned out to all be a dream you'd feel cheated wouldn't you? It's a false equivalency to equate laughing at another team who've just had a VAR decision go against them with the enjoyment people gain from football.

I do care about there being rules. Of course I do. I just accept that sometimes were going to get a man sent off against us unjustly or concede a dodgy penalty and it's not worth losing all that we enjoy from the game to correct one or two of those decisions. I assume that the league cup final was thoroughly unenjoyable for you, given that our penalty shouldn't have stood. Equally it must have been galling to watch everyone jumping around celebrating maccarones equaliser knowing that Basel had a man sent off unjustly.

It's in the premier league and it'll stay there. Let's not have it infest the lower divisions, so at least fans have some choice of what to watch.
 

Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret

Well-known member
With all respect, your idea that it isn't is rubbish. Leaving low scoring sports to random but highly impactful mistakes is a game of chance not skill
Every action taken in football is highly impactful. The throw in wrongly given the on the halfway line five minutes before the goal is just as impactful as someone who is offside sticking the ball in the net. Each action taken impacts the actions following. VAR just targets the most visible giving an illusion of fairness.

Any comment on whether you enjoyed our cup final win and the Basle game. Prime examples of highly impactful mistakes changing the result. Would you have enjoyed the league cup final more if Riley had disallowed our penalty? Do you feel that we are charlatans listing that as an honour?
 

Corcaigh_the_Cat

Well-known member
are TV fans not supporters?

It's here to stay, don't fear change, embrace it because life will always be full of change and you'll end up one of those people, the bitter old whiners ;) :ROFLMAO:
Change for better and worse has been part of the game since it was first organised. We just seem to be going through a particularly bad spell on so many fronts, VAR being one of them.
 

Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret

Well-known member
a whole season can and does turn on wrong officiating decisions. That's not sport.
So what youre saying is football we had in the past wasn't sport. Should we start our records from the advent of VAR rather than the premier league?

Bad decision making and chance have always impacted sport. We should try to reduce them, but not at the cost of spoiling what made the sport popular in the first place. Something we are doing in football.

There are far better ways to make the sport fairer that don't impact on fundamental aspects of the game. How about everyone being given the same amount of money to spend on the team each season? As things stand at present they all run around kicking a ball about for 90 minutes then the one who has the most money wins. I think that's far more damaging than titles being impacted by bad refereeing decisions.
 

Corcaigh_the_Cat

Well-known member
The tech is fine, it just takes time to get the process right.
How are they going to do that, rugby have been using it for years and it still takes as long. It's not the tech that's the problem, it's the obsession that mistakes can't be made which is the problem. The game is littered with mistakes, it's what makes it enjoyable.
 

BoroMart

Well-known member
How are they going to do that, rugby have been using it for years and it still takes as long. It's not the tech that's the problem, it's the obsession that mistakes can't be made which is the problem. The game is littered with mistakes, it's what makes it enjoyable.
They should initially use it for fact checks, such as in the box out the box and offsides. That doesn't take too long and AI will make it near instant eventually
 

The Card Cheat

Well-known member
Remember the sheer unadulterated life affirming joy of Maccarone’s last minute winner against Steau? The knowledge that somehow we’d done it and absolutely nothing could take it away.
Because of VAR that feeling of instant delirium shared with 30,000 people is completely gone. Forever. Replaced with minutes of sheer bloody dread that some boffins in a room are going to decide arbitrarily that they believe someone is literally inches offside.
Try and make something perfect and you will **** it up.
 

BoroMart

Well-known member
Remember the sheer unadulterated life affirming joy of Maccarone’s last minute winner against Steau? The knowledge that somehow we’d done it and absolutely nothing could take it away.
Because of VAR that feeling of instant delirium shared with 30,000 people is completely gone. Forever. Replaced with minutes of sheer bloody dread that some boffins in a room are going to decide arbitrarily that they believe someone is literally inches offside.
Try and make something perfect and you will **** it up.
Nobody is trying to be perfect, just better. Perfection is the enemy of good, as they say.
 

The Card Cheat

Well-known member
Nobody is trying to be perfect, just better. Perfection is the enemy of good, as they say.

Spending 5 minutes drawing lines on a screen to see if someone, could possibly be inches offside at the arbitrarily decided millionth of a second the ball left the boot of the passer is absolutely trying to be perfect. And achieving the complete opposite.
 

Frozen Horse

Well-known member
I've not ploughed though the thread, but I'm quite prepared to put up with some officiating errors, even if they go against us, if it means avoiding VAR.

I think the offside decisions are the worst; the offside law was not introduced to the game to quibble about milimeters.
 

BoroMart

Well-known member
Spending 5 minutes drawing lines on a screen to see if someone, could possibly be inches offside at the arbitrarily decided millionth of a second the ball left the boot of the passer is absolutely trying to be perfect. And achieving the complete opposite.
a) it's not 5 mins, most are done without any notice, while players are celebrating and confirmed as onside
b) an inch offside is offside
c) it's not arbitrary it's precise to the nearest frame at 60 frames / sec

IT's not claiming to be perfect, it's claiming to be more accurate than the human eye Other than that, you got the filler words right
 

BoroMart

Well-known member
I think the offside decisions are the worst; the offside law was not introduced to the game to quibble about milimeters.
It's a law not, you are describing a guideline, we are just finding more accurate ways to apply the rule. Do you apply the same logic to the ball crossing the goal line? It doesn't matter if the ball did or didn't cross the line, just as line as it's there or there abouts?
 

Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret

Well-known member
It's not pure sport, it's tainted at times. IF there is a way to remove those errors, why wouldn't you do it?
Why wouldn't I do it? I've just typed about five paragraphs saying why I wouldn't do it! :D
Because the negatives far outweigh the gains. It's massively spoiling the experience for the majority of the crowd. That's not worth getting a couple of decisions right.
 

BoroMart

Well-known member
Why wouldn't I do it? I've just typed about five paragraphs saying why I wouldn't do it! :D
Because the negatives far outweigh the gains. It's massively spoiling the experience for the majority of the crowd. That's not worth getting a couple of decisions right.
"a couple of decisions" per match yes, which in the context of a low scoring game is really, really influential. I mean add to basketball it would be ridiculous, but footy, it makes perfect sense. The technology and process will improve to increase the TTD (Time to decision) and this noise will all disappear
 
Top
X