Time for VAR

changingman

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Top three my ****. :D
If you aren't seeing things evening out that's probably due to your bias rather than anyone elses.
The championship is a blessed relief where a goal is a goal and you don't have passages of play which are probably offside but the linesman hasn't stuck his flag up yet. You can still enjoy football in the moment.
I'd rather people accepted that referees make mistakes, much like our own players, and that we should try to affect things we are able to change, such as the mistakes made our players, rather than whining about things we can't change such as a mistake by a referee.

Generally speaking we pay far too much attention to the moaners in our society.
But when the technology exists to improve those outcomes surely it makes sense to introduce it? It's already been proven in other leagues.

I agree we shouldn't rely on decisions for points (I don't think VAR would have intervened last night for instance) but at the same time the sums involved in promotion are huge. These are businesses at the end of the day.
 

afcb_acklam

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Top three my ****. :D
If you aren't seeing things evening out that's probably due to your bias rather than anyone elses.
The championship is a blessed relief where a goal is a goal and you don't have passages of play which are probably offside but the linesman hasn't stuck his flag up yet. You can still enjoy football in the moment.
I'd rather people accepted that referees make mistakes, much like our own players, and that we should try to affect things we are able to change, such as the mistakes made our players, rather than whining about things we can't change such as a mistake by a referee.

Generally speaking we pay far too much attention to the moaners in our society.

hallelujah
 

Zoophonic

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I'd take VAR in the championship right now. Basic decisions like throw ins, corners, offsides.. let alone the blatant red cards that are not given.

It just feels like we're being totally ripped off as fans. The Championship isn't what it used to be, in terms of monies we're pretty much Premier League 2

as for the officials it really seems like we're just handed the rejects, like the raggy dolls of the refereeing world. they need support with VAR and there's no reason why it shouldn't be there should be there.
Yep. Would have VAR tomorrow.
 

Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret

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But when the technology exists to improve those outcomes surely it makes sense to introduce it? It's already been proven in other leagues.

I agree we shouldn't rely on decisions for points (I don't think VAR would have intervened last night for instance) but at the same time the sums involved in promotion are huge. These are businesses at the end of the day.
Because the improvement of a small number of decisions does not outweigh the deterioration of the enjoyment of the game.
And at the end of the day the business relies upon people's enjoyment of the game.

The introduction of VAR is for the benefit of managers players and those who cannot accept that they lost fair and square rather than being screwed by the ref.
 

Soutra

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VAR doesn't help with wrongly awarded throws in or corners, just obvious errors around goals, penalties or bad fouls.

I agree with what others have eloquently said. VAR takes away the immediacy of the game and calls for its introduction are generally by fans who can't accept that their players make mistakes as well as refs.
 

newyddion

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VAR doesn't help with wrongly awarded throws in or corners, just obvious errors around goals, penalties or bad fouls.

I agree with what others have eloquently said. VAR takes away the immediacy of the game and calls for its introduction are generally by fans who can't accept that their players make mistakes as well as refs.
We could do with the lot tbh, goal like technology, throw ins etc.. it's dreadful.

Makes a massive difference, Rugby have no problem with it, tennis, etc etc etc.. so much money in football and we have to put up with totally naff referees and outdated/non existent technologies.

Is it really in the spirit of the game to go home after a match and see the goal that crossed the line and wasn't given, the kick to the face that went un punished, the elbow the handball that lead to the goal etc etc etc it's ruining the game imo, so much pressure and money that players feel justified in cheating, how many teams have we seen win a game because they 'managed the game'
 

BoroMart

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Referring decisions are supposed to even themselves out over the season
that's one of those daft claims that deflect from reality. It seems logical but isn't evidenced at all. You can't tell me that last season referee decisions evened out, they were nowhere near. We were probably 10+ points down from where we should have been without referees mistakes. Given a long enough timespan of 10 or 15 or 20 years they probably do, but seasons can and are decided by poor officiating.
 

BoroMart

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I'd take VAR in the championship right now. Basic decisions like throw ins, corners, offsides.. let alone the blatant red cards that are not given.
at the top level AI could potentially do this far better than a linesman or ref.

I would like to see a simpler sport like tennis show that you don't need human officiators. Hawkeye and its predecessor have been around well over a decade. The fidelity is good, the consistency is there. If that works then you can port to football and make all those decision real time. That just means the refs can monitor the players behaviour 100% of time, pulls pushes, kicks, etc.
 

newyddion

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at the top level AI could potentially do this far better than a linesman or ref.

I would like to see a simpler sport like tennis show that you don't need human officiators. Hawkeye and its predecessor have been around well over a decade. The fidelity is good, the consistency is there. If that works then you can port to football and make all those decision real time. That just means the refs can monitor the players behaviour 100% of time, pulls pushes, kicks, etc.
never even though of that! imagine football being ahead of the curve for something.

I think Warnock should sit down with some programmers to construct a REFBOT

EDIT: maybe not
 
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Cousin_of_Fabio

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VAR is supposed to be in place to 'help out' the referrees when making a clear and obvious error, which I think the Premier League referrees are now starting to lose sight of that original purpose now.

If anything the officiating in the Champinship is awful, which we have seen first hand what is now a scarily amount of times. I don't see why at least there can't be a monitor for the ref to check at this level.

If you watch Match of the Day or even a Premier League game now it's starting to feel like a different sport let alone a different league.
 

Lottowyn

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As long as decisions against the Boro greatly outnumber the decisions that go for us I shall want to see if VAR will even things up.
I realise that some people regard it as traditional or nostalgia to see refs give ridiculous rulings, but I would like to see games where the only things up to luck or doubt , are whether our forwards can take chances or if the defence can clear their lines, and not for the game to depend on a referee having an hangover or having had a fight with his missus before he set out for the game.
 

S7DiscoDown

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If you'd said this last season I'd have said no. That said VAR is actually working very well in the prem.

The tweek of the offside and Contact rules has helped. I've watched a few games on sky and almost forgot they are using it.

I never thought VAR was the actual issue. It was always the rules and how the officials interpretation of them. That seems to have massively improved.

That said.... I imagine the champo VAR will be officiated by champo officials? The standard of which is absolutely shocking. I imagine they would get more right than wrong though. The Millwall goal would never of stood.

I mean the defeat on Tuesday was simply down to woeful finishing. Unfortunately that's been the case for years. We are only ever winning 1-0 or 2-1 etc. Just one mistake from blowing it no matter how well you are playing.
 

TeaCider

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Unless it's just because I'm not able to watch as intently as I did last season, it doesn't feel like there have been anywhere near as many problems with VAR in the Premier League this season.

I've certainly seen far fewer complaints about it anyway.
 

zorro_mfc

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Referring decisions are supposed to even themselves out over the season but I'm not seeing any evidence of it so far in the games this season.

I was beginning to think refs had it in for us because of Warnock, but I believe we'd have had all 6 points with VAR for Wilder's two games in charge.

With VAR from the start of the season we'd probably be in the top three.

Obviously the top three will have had decisions go against them also and there's no excusing the Boro players under-performing, but I am beginning to think we aren't getting our fair share of decisions
I’d have VAR tomorrow because for clubs like we could only benefit from it, as let’s face it could decisions get any worse for us than we’ve seen this season. How can a ref miss an elbow smash to the face but he did.
 

BoroMart

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As long as decisions against the Boro greatly outnumber the decisions that go for us I shall want to see if VAR will even things up.
I realise that some people regard it as traditional or nostalgia to see refs give ridiculous rulings, but I would like to see games where the only things up to luck or doubt , are whether our forwards can take chances or if the defence can clear their lines, and not for the game to depend on a referee having an hangover or having had a fight with his missus before he set out for the game.
agreed, if you are against VAR you are effectively in favour of the captains getting togther and throwing a 20 sided dice, i fthey get above 15 they get a 1 goal head start if they get a 20, they get a goal and to elbow an opposing player without receiving a red.
 
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