Thoughts on Wilder's post match interview

I’ll give him a break on this one, when you listen to it it seems pretty obvious that he’s referring to the journalists in the room. Also very frustrated after a stupid loss.

I don’t think it was a message to the fans or the board at all.
 
The comments about the players not being very smart after the Sunderland game was worse and surely wouldn’t have helped him as a so called leader.
 
Inoffthebar said:
What did he say here? Missed this one
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Was talking about intelligent footballers, and suggested we don't have many of them.

To be fair, I do agree with him, but I was horrified to hear him say it.

I do think our players are thick and lack any sort of intelligence on the pitch.

Lunging in for stupid fouls at the wrong time, decision making, etc. Thick as a whale omelette.
 
Ian Bairds Ears said:
Viv the Burnley episode was on reflection the end of the trust between him and gibbo
He handled it terribly and has done nothing but call out players and sulk about marquee signings ever since...making those that are here think....well f&&& you wilder....
Now he's going at the crowd for expressing their unhappiness...
It's the end of the line and sadly I think most people would agree
After the world cup break I expect we will have Sean dyche in the hotseat.
Just my opinion
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What happened with Burnley? Does anyone actually know?

All I know is that he didn’t shut the speculation down when asked about it in the immediate aftermath of a game. Maybe twice? Where does all the so-called unrest come from from there? If our players are put out by that sort of thing to the point where they stop running, marking and tackling well into the next season, I don’t think they’ve got much chance of progressing any further up the football ladder TBH. And I’d expect the manager to weed them out and move them on.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
To my mind there’s a large number of Boro fans who seem to expect or even demand automatic promotion. There’s a difference between us challenging for promotion and then judging everyone and everything against automatic promotion form. I think that’s where I agree with Wilder, in that this expectation that’s floating around about finishing in the top two is a bit misguided.

I’m not defending anything about last night by the way. I don’t expect Boro to play so poorly, especially at home. But the rush to definitive judgement means we don’t give anyone a chance to settle or build anything, or play themselves into form, as talk of promotion dominates. I understand Wilder has played a part in that but I think he wants us to challenge the top end. Which is different from expecting or demanding we win promotion as a minimum.
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But that’s the expectation, that’s the job here.

If you’re managing Middlesbrough then you know we’re a Premier League club in all but league position. There’s five teams I could name right now in the PL who aren’t as worthy of a Premier League place as we are.

Thing is, we all know what a promotion team looks like, and what the green shoots of it look like. Togetherness, talent, team spirit, something building.

We have none of it, and from the first 10 minutes of this season, you can tell we’re nowhere near.

Last time I thought we might get promoted was Pulis when we had Adama, because at least we had one of the the best players in the league and thought we might sneak it. But right now? Nowhere near.
 
WilderBall said:
What did you all think?

One line especially stuck out to me.... "I do sometimes wonder why the expectations are so high here...the club has been out of the top division for so long".
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I'm beginning to think CW is incompatible with the powers that be AND the fans.
It will be a very tough job for him to turn that around.
 
Just been listening to TalkSport and they had someone who's apparently the presenter of their EFL show (no, I've never heard of it either), saying that he thinks if this continues any longer it will come to a very abrupt end. Kept going on about him being a very angry man at the moment.

I mean he also said we have a problem scoring goals which clearly isn't true, so not sure what to take from that.
 
Between Wilder taking over and getting knocked out the cup by Chelsea we were playing really good football, getting results and picking up points at a rate good enough for automatic promotion. The expectation comes from that and the fact we strengthened weak areas and had £20m to spend.

Our aim last season was to make the playoffs. This season it was too get the automatics. There is a difference between an aim and an expectation. When you are aiming for automatics and you fail then you at least end up in the playoffs. A bad season for us this year was expected to be fighting for the playoffs. A good season would have us in them comfortably and a very good season would've been automatic.

We are now talking about transition season's and not getting relegated. That is a dramatic reduction in expectations and definitely not in sync with the bull**** we were fed at season ticket sale time.

If it is the club that has adjusted their aim from auto to consolidation then Wilder will be livid. If it is Wilder then the club should be livid. Either way the manager and club are not in sync which means he'll end up walking or being pushed. If they are in sync and Wilder and the club are happy with midtable then it is the fans that will be livid.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
What happened with Burnley? Does anyone actually know?

All I know is that he didn’t shut the speculation down when asked about it in the immediate aftermath of a game. Maybe twice? Where does all the so-called unrest come from from there? If our players are put out by that sort of thing to the point where they stop running, marking and tackling well into the next season, I don’t think they’ve got much chance of progressing any further up the football ladder TBH. And I’d expect the manager to weed them out and move them on.
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Lots of speculation on the Burnley situation, but does anyone really know whether he was interested in going or offered the job? Surely if he was even negotiating with Burnley without Boro knowing about it Gibbo would have sacked him given what we are led to believe regarding Monk? If he was offered the job surely he would have gone if the package was right?

I prefer to think that the issue this season is we are struggling to integrate new players, most of whom were signed after the start of the season. Last night showed the attitude is ok, the way we stuck at it second half, so again I prefer to see it as a capability issue with the players picked and tactics employed. I couldn’t see anyone else getting this squad higher than Wilder will to be fair and to just miss out on the play offs last year was an achievement again given the issues with the squad.

We have been in Division 2 for 13 out of the last 14 years and while flirting with the play offs a number of times have made them twice and once got automatic. Without significant investment that’s always going to be the case imho.

We seriously messed up our best promotion chances twice in that period by changing manager half way through the season and poor recruitment.
 
TheYorkshireTerrier said:
Just been listening to TalkSport and they had someone who's apparently the presenter of their EFL show (no, I've never heard of it either), saying that he thinks if this continues any longer it will come to a very abrupt end. Kept going on about him being a very angry man at the moment.

I mean he also said we have a problem scoring goals which clearly isn't true, so not sure what to take from that.
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I think he probably feels let down that we didn’t sign the players he wanted, but we were led to believe he was happy with our model when he joined. He needs to get on with working with what he’s got, again he did that last year so why not now? All in all doesn’t sound promising. Here’s hoping for a win on Saturday!
 
You have to feel for him a bit as he's made himself look a little silly. He's highly ambitious and confident in his own abilities. He had clearly been promised a good backing so was brash and vocal about our ambitions.

He's now seen how we recruit, and he's been let down . He should be doing better with what he has, and it's annoying to hear him go on about expectations when he created them. BUT he was saying them with the expectation of much more ambitious recruitment.

At first his comments annoyed me, but now it's clear he's not happy at all with recruitment so is making a point of why are expectations so high when it's mainly free transfers and loans and players he clearly didn't fancy
 
Otto42 said:
Last night showed the attitude is ok, the way we stuck at it second half, so again I prefer to see it as a capability issue with the players picked and tactics employed.
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I disagree with that the performance in the 2nd half is irrelevant Cardiff were coasting and the result was gone. The first half illustrated the players are not happy with the system and they are not playing for wilder. I think he's lost the dressing room
 
Borodrew said:
You have to feel for him a bit as he's made himself look a little silly. He's highly ambitious and confident in his own abilities. He had clearly been promised a good backing so was brash and vocal about our ambitions.

He's now seen how we recruit, and he's been let down . He should be doing better with what he has, and it's annoying to hear him go on about expectations when he created them. BUT he was saying them with the expectation of much more ambitious recruitment.

At first his comments annoyed me, but now it's clear he's not happy at all with recruitment so is making a point of why are expectations so high when it's mainly free transfers and loans and players he clearly didn't fancy
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A surprisingly balanced view given what I've read on here from some posters since last night!

Ultimately its quality that gets you promoted and you look at our squad against some of the better performing teams and you have to say that the play-offs is about the ceiling for us this season, albeit we are way short of that currently.

I don't take too much notice of his post match interviews, especially after a defeat, because he's obviously a passionate fella who doesn't take getting beat well.
 
WilderBall said:
What did you all think?

One line especially stuck out to me.... "I do sometimes wonder why the expectations are so high here...the club has been out of the top division for so long".

It's Wilder himself that has consistently said publicly... "This is a big football club at this level", "I haven't come here to be mid table" and "We'll be competing at the top end of this division".

He cut a frustrated, down beat figure. He's been hugely successful in every position he's had so far in his managerial career (promoted in every job he's had if I'm right?) but it's not working here.

We've won 4 out of the last 19.
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He wonder's why the expectations are so high? Well when Gibson makes our season ticket prices the 2nd highest in the league and walk up prices some of the highest in the country there is a level of expectation that comes with that.

As a minimum you expect us to be challenging for the top 6 but at the minute we look a million miles off the pace.
 
The only reason expectations were heightened was because of what he said. ‘I didn’t come here to finish mid table’ ‘we’ll get the players in to take us from a possibility to a probability’.

Now he doesn’t understand the expectations? Seems like Mr Wilder is in reputation protection mode.
 
I've just read this again on the BBC website. It sounds like it is not only the fan who expected more from us.

Posted at 18:49 29 Jul18:49 29 Jul

Middlesbrough - 'Wilder desperate to add firepower'​

Championship (2021-22: 7th)
Mark Drury
BBC Tees
This feels like a big season for Middlesbrough.
They have a proven Championship promotion-winner at the helm in Chris Wilder, they have the nucleus of a squad that finished just outside the play-off places last time round and a fanbase that expects a concerted promotion push.
What they don’t have at the time of writing, is a promotion-winning strikeforce. Duncan Watmore and teenage striker Josh Coburn are Wilder’s striking options and he’s desperate to add some serious firepower before the season kicks off. (Brentford striker Marcus Forss arrived for an undisclosed fee on Thursday.)
The rest of the team looks good. Darragh Lenihan should be a mainstay at the heart of the defence after signing on a free transfer from Blackburn, while Isaiah Jones and Ryan Giles promise to create plenty of chances from wing-back. The big question the fans are asking is, who will they be creating chances for?
The answer to that question will go a long way to deciding whether Boro can finally make it back to the Premier League.
 
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