Thoughts on Wilder's post match interview

Cress said:
And remember there's 20 k boro fans and half a dozen whiners on here, who want their negative mindset to catch on for some reason. Look inside yourself and ask why. It's never too late to have a happy childhood
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Bit harsh!

TBH I'm feeling gutted this morning. Last December I was really excited about the future with Wilder. Appreciate that he's a manager with a plan - bit like Karanka was. Even more appreciate that it's a plan that includes attacking and scoring goals - not at all like Karanka!

If you've got a positive mindset still I'd much rather I was the one to catch on to that. Please feel free to share the good news.
 
To my mind there’s a large number of Boro fans who seem to expect or even demand automatic promotion. There’s a difference between us challenging for promotion and then judging everyone and everything against automatic promotion form. I think that’s where I agree with Wilder, in that this expectation that’s floating around about finishing in the top two is a bit misguided.

I’m not defending anything about last night by the way. I don’t expect Boro to play so poorly, especially at home. But the rush to definitive judgement means we don’t give anyone a chance to settle or build anything, or play themselves into form, as talk of promotion dominates. I understand Wilder has played a part in that but I think he wants us to challenge the top end. Which is different from expecting or demanding we win promotion as a minimum.
 
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viv_andersons_nana said:
To my mind there’s a large number of Boro fans who seem to expect or even demand automatic promotion. There’s a difference between us challenging for promotion and then judging everyone and everything against automatic promotion form. I think that’s where I agree with Wilder, in that this expectation that’s floating around about finishing in the top two is a bit misguided.

I’m not defending anything about last night by the way. I don’t expect Boro to play so poorly, especially at home. But the rush to definitive judgement means we don’t give anyone a chance to settle or build anything, or play themselves into form, as talk of promotion dominates. I understand Wilder has played a part in that but I think he wants us to challenge the top end. Which is different from expecting or demanding we win promotion.
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Viv the Burnley episode was on reflection the end of the trust between him and gibbo
He handled it terribly and has done nothing but call out players and sulk about marquee signings ever since...making those that are here think....well f&&& you wilder....
Now he's going at the crowd for expressing their unhappiness...
It's the end of the line and sadly I think most people would agree
After the world cup break I expect we will have Sean dyche in the hotseat.
Just my opinion
 
His interview was subdued. The comment re expectations was not in my mind aimed at the crowd.
He has not been backed this summer.
But he also needs to look at himself too. As do the players.
 
SuperStu said:
Dreadful line. No idea why he'd come out with something like that. Reminds me of Karanka having a go at the fans for chanting attack attack attack during games we were losing at home, and of Strachan saying he'll go home and get off his face on drugs.
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That line from Strachan sticks with me as one of the worst comments I have ever heard any football manager make an interview. Absolutely appalling this to say in response to a legitimate question.
 
WilderBall said:
What did you all think?

One line especially stuck out to me.... "I do sometimes wonder why the expectations are so high here...the club has been out of the top division for so long".

It's Wilder himself that has consistently said publicly... "This is a big football club at this level", "I haven't come here to be mid table" and "We'll be competing at the top end of this division".

He cut a frustrated, down beat figure. He's been hugely successful in every position he's had so far in his managerial career (promoted in every job he's had if I'm right?) but it's not working here.

We've won 4 out of the last 19.
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Maybe the actions of the club over the summer don’t replicate the size of a club wanting to compete
 
I think he has a point, we (myself included) expected to brush Cardiff aside last night. However, Cardiff have been in the EPL more recently than us and are now above us in the league. No doubt we expect to beat Rotherham, a side who beat us three nil at home two years ago, and are above us in the league. We have to accept that we aren’t the big player in the Championship and see promotion as a goal rather than an expectation, we aren’t the big spenders either and don’t have parachute payments like a number of our rivals!
 
Ian Bairds Ears said:
Viv the Burnley episode was on reflection the end of the trust between him and gibbo
He handled it terribly and has done nothing but call out players and sulk about marquee signings ever since...making those that are here think....well f&&& you wilder....
Now he's going at the crowd for expressing their unhappiness...
It's the end of the line and sadly I think most people would agree
After the world cup break I expect we will have Sean dyche in the hotseat.
Just my opinion
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I'm not disagreeing with everything you've said here but I don't see us going for someone like Dyche if we do lose Wilder, it will be someone who plays a similar style of football. The club have already said they will try to keep a continuation when losing managers and that's why Kieron Scott was brought in (amongst other reasons, apparenty).

Will be someone like Viv has already mentioned, an unknown German coach.
 
SuperStu said:
Bit harsh!

TBH I'm feeling gutted this morning. Last December I was really excited about the future with Wilder. Appreciate that he's a manager with a plan - bit like Karanka was. Even more appreciate that it's a plan that includes attacking and scoring goals - not at all like Karanka!

If you've got a positive mindset still I'd much rather I was the one to catch on to that. Please feel free to share the good news.
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Sorry stu
I’m disappointed same as everyone
 
Otto42 said:
I think he has a point, we (myself included) expected to brush Cardiff aside last night. However, Cardiff have been in the EPL more recently than us and are now above us in the league. No doubt we expect to beat Rotherham, a side who beat us three nil at home two years ago, and are above us in the league. We have to accept that we aren’t the big player in the Championship and see promotion as a goal rather than an expectation, we aren’t the big spenders either and don’t have parachute payments like a number of our rivals!
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Of course we don't have Parachute Payments.
Of course we have limited revenue.
Of course the Chairman is owed a lot of money.

But when the only chance of improving the finances is getting promoted and you get a £22.5m windfall, then you DO have an advantage over other clubs in real terms and in FFP terms.
Gibson has properly screwed up AGAIN.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
To my mind there’s a large number of Boro fans who seem to expect or even demand automatic promotion. There’s a difference between us challenging for promotion and then judging everyone and everything against automatic promotion form. I think that’s where I agree with Wilder, in that this expectation that’s floating around about finishing in the top two is a bit misguided.

I’m not defending anything about last night by the way. I don’t expect Boro to play so poorly, especially at home. But the rush to definitive judgement means we don’t give anyone a chance to settle or build anything, or play themselves into form, as talk of promotion dominates. I understand Wilder has played a part in that but I think he wants us to challenge the top end. Which is different from expecting or demanding we win promotion.
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Viv - It is not about expecting or demanding promotion, we want to see a team compete and have some kind of game plan.

That team last night lacked direction and was void of ideas. The Sunderland win papered over the cracks and a more clinical team would have beaten us. Yes, the team competed against Sunderland but the football wasn't good.
 
Thanks for the links lads.

I know I'll get pelters for this but I thought he was generally right in what he said.

The comment about the expectation was an odd one but he spoke for the best part of 10 minutes so to pick one sentence out is a bit harsh. The other thing i didnt agree with was blaming McNair for their first goal. He didn't smash the ball at Crooks. It may have been the wrong ball to play but it seems like hes letting Crook's off the hook and using Paddy as a scape goat.
 
Mfc79 said:
Thanks for the links lads.

I know I'll get pelters for this but I thought he was generally right in what he said.

The comment about the expectation was an odd one but he spoke for the best part of 10 minutes so to pick one sentence out is a bit harsh. The other thing i didnt agree with was blaming McNair for their first goal. He didn't smash the ball at Crooks. It may have been the wrong ball to play but it seems like hes letting Crook's off the hook and using Paddy as a scape goat.
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It was McNair being caught out of position, easily passed around and bypassed that I think he was at fault for.

Could have landed a jumbo jet in that space their goalscorer ran into behind Paddy.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
To my mind there’s a large number of Boro fans who seem to expect or even demand automatic promotion. There’s a difference between us challenging for promotion and then judging everyone and everything against automatic promotion form. I think that’s where I agree with Wilder, in that this expectation that’s floating around about finishing in the top two is a bit misguided.

I’m not defending anything about last night by the way. I don’t expect Boro to play so poorly, especially at home. But the rush to definitive judgement means we don’t give anyone a chance to settle or build anything, or play themselves into form, as talk of promotion dominates. I understand Wilder has played a part in that but I think he wants us to challenge the top end. Which is different from expecting or demanding we win promotion.
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Nailed it for me. The Championship is effectively becoming a two-tier league with parachute payments. We will have to work incredibly smartly just to compete, let alone get promoted.

Without massive investment we may be writing automatic off for a number of years in my opinion. Even Brentford, a team with a solid philosophy and probably one of the best run clubs in the country only progressed via the playoffs.

That said, a YOY improvement in league position would seem a (fairly) legitimate target, indeed one I aspired to pre-season (and one which, to be fair, we still have a very good chance of). I think what few on here (including myself) and perhaps even Wilder realised, was the scale of the rebuild required. We needed to improve both the quality and quantity of players, no mean feat.
 
Mfc79 said:
Thanks for the links lads.

I know I'll get pelters for this but I thought he was generally right in what he said.

The comment about the expectation was an odd one but he spoke for the best part of 10 minutes so to pick one sentence out is a bit harsh. The other thing i didnt agree with was blaming McNair for their first goal. He didn't smash the ball at Crooks. It may have been the wrong ball to play but it seems like hes letting Crook's off the hook and using Paddy as a scape goat.
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I reckon he was probably trying to point out that McNair was just continuously playing hopeful balls to Muniz all half and they either led to Cardiff coming back at us or going out of play.
 
All manager are paid to be part bullshitters and spin doctors look at the "Special One"

I agree the Club's top brass can't expect a top 6 club without investing (carefully) the proceeds of sales.

The fans showed last year we are a top 6 club supportwise and they pay top 6 prices.

I do wonder if we are now top 6 in the wages league.
 
WilderBall said:
It was McNair being caught out of position, easily passed around and bypassed that I think he was at fault for.

Could have landed a jumbo jet in that space their goalscorer ran into behind Paddy.
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And that space happened numerous times on both sides of the park in the first half. Wilder did nothing to address it. I’ve been hugely optimistic since CW’s appointment. The last vestige of this has now evaporated.
 
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TheYorkshireTerrier said:
I'm not disagreeing with everything you've said here but I don't see us going for someone like Dyche if we do lose Wilder, it will be someone who plays a similar style of football. The club have already said they will try to keep a continuation when losing managers and that's why Kieron Scott was brought in (amongst other reasons, apparenty).

Will be someone like Viv has already mentioned, an unknown German coach.
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Middlesbrough on ze Rhine nein
 
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