The next James Bond

GazC_MFC said:
I’ve never watched a bond film and thought I wonder what he was doing before this film. I recognise it’s a fictional character and it doesn’t really matter who plays ‘James bond’

I understand that the world is full of misogynists, racists and xenophobia. One of The most prominent roles in world film could go a long way to helping change people views, and change the world to be a better place.

I think you may have to look at you inner self why you really need James Bond to be white. The character has been reset numerous times. More than one person in the world can be called James Bond
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If you’ve never watched a Bond film why do you care so much about who plays the part?
 
GazC_MFC said:
A small minority, yes
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I don't agree with St on... Well just about anything but he has been targeted on this thread with some unsavoury racist jibes. I don't know him but his arguments were not a lot different to some others who escaped the slurs.
 
Loads of 'product placement' in the books. He gets up in the morning, and a list of Mayfair/St James's retailers follows, his watch , his pyjamas, his shoes, his fags.
 
Anton_Berg said:
Loads of 'product placement' in the books. He gets up in the morning, and a list of Mayfair/St James's retailers follows, his watch , his pyjamas, his shoes, his fags.
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I am not sure that was product placement or was more to set the scene of a debonair British spy living the high life. Probably miles away from reality but so was Lord of the rings.
 
Laughing said:
I don't agree with St on... Well just about anything but he has been targeted on this thread with some unsavoury racist jibes. I don't know him but his arguments were not a lot different to some others who escaped the slurs.
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The jibes @st were based on he wouldn’t believe the backstory if the person was BAME.
No one else has mentioned that to be honest
 
GazC_MFC said:
The jibes @st were based on he wouldn’t believe the backstory if the person was BAME.
No one else has mentioned that to be honest
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It's not racist to point out something that is highly improbable is highly improbable. I'm disappointed in you to be honest. I was pretty clear and detailed in why it was improbable
 
SmallTown said:
It's not racist to point out something that is highly improbable is highly improbable. I'm disappointed in you to be honest. I was pretty clear and detailed in why it was improbable
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It’s fiction, the things James Bond does wouldn’t happen in real life
 
GazC_MFC said:
It’s fiction, the things James Bond does wouldn’t happen in real life
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That had occurred to me. It is also set in the real world.

I know this will upset you, and in your eyes it'll make me look racist, but it's a simple fact that a son of a Swiss financier and Scottish Landowner who is a commander in the army WILL be white.

I agree with you that shouldn't be the case. At least the last part. It IS the case though. Sadly.

I think we are going to go round in circles here. You don't understand why I think the backstory is important and that's fine. We are disagreeing on that one.

It was the inference that it made me racist for pointing out his backstory would mean he was white that I found a bit much.
 
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Whilst I understand both points of view, a character's literary heritage should not be defined by how they are re-imagined on screen or on stage, James Bond in the Fleming books is set in a time and place, simple modernisation fundamentally alters the character and creates an alternative reality within that alternative you can play and revise issues such as race, gender, sexuality etc, once you take Bond or any character out of the time frame and context of their creation you are enabling interpretation and changes to be made that the author never intended, we've had English, Scottish, Australian, Welsh, Irish and American, Fleming hated Connery as Bond thought he was too common and rough to play 007.

Things change and the Bond in the books is no longer the Bond on screen, they're different characters with a shared name and profession, connected to each other but not conjoined, I would happily accept and welcome a black actor playing Bond, my interest would be in what they bring to the part not the colour of their skin.
 
SmallTown said:
That had occurred to me. It is also set in the real world.

I know this will upset you, and in your eyes it'll make me look racist, but it's a simple fact that a son of a Swiss financier and Scottish Landowner who is a commander in the army WILL be white.

I agree with you that shouldn't be the case. At least the last part. It IS the case though. Sadly.

I think we are going to go round in circles here. You don't understand why I think the backstory is important and that's fine. We are disagreeing on that one.

It was the inference that it made me racist for pointing out his backstory would mean he was white that I found a bit much.
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Why do you even know the back story of the parents, you’ve admitted you didn’t read the books, and I can find any reference to them in the films?
American_Mary said:
Whilst I understand both points of view, a character's literary heritage should not be defined by how they are re-imagined on screen or on stage, James Bond in the Fleming books is set in a time and place, simple modernisation fundamentally alters the character and creates an alternative reality within that alternative you can play and revise issues such as race, gender, sexuality etc, once you take Bond or any character out of the time frame and context of their creation you are enabling interpretation and changes to be made that the author never intended, we've had English, Scottish, Australian, Welsh, Irish and American, Fleming hated Connery as Bond thought he was too common and rough to play 007.

Things change and the Bond in the books is no longer the Bond on screen, they're different characters with a shared name and profession, connected to each other but not conjoined, I would happily accept and welcome a black actor playing Bond, my interest would be in what they bring to the part not the colour of their skin.
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put much more eloquently than me
 
GazC_MFC said:
Why do you even know the back story of the parents, you’ve admitted you didn’t read the books, and I can find any reference to them in the films?

put much more eloquently than me
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Why do you persist on questioning me about something I'm interested in? I thought we had agreed: You don't care/don't understand the Bond backstory and aren't really invested in the films. I do, and am, which is why we can't agree on this.

The only issue I know have with you is inferring that because I care about the backstory I'm a racist. That's not cool.
 
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