The meltdown if we lose

Scrug said:
Loads on here were, I can’t be arsed trailing through the threads to find it.

Right, but that’s the model. That’s what we’re trying to do, buy young promising players, build them up and sell them on. That’s the club we are now, in that aspect it’s been a good transfer window.

I would take this over signing the likes of Dwight Gayle, George Savile any-day.
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I think people were liking the promise for the future and as squad fillers to bring on now the bench can have 9 players. I don’t think people were getting giddy thinking anyone but Dieng was a starter. They were all cheap investments in the hope a couple go on to make it or sell for profit, the Brentford way. I was happy with the potential, but I expected we would sign Giles and hoped we could bring equivalent quality in to replace Archer, Ramsey and potentially Chuba. There is no getting away from the fact we are lightyears from the squad that finished the season. This squad as is is a mid table team. I know we will see additions, but it is quality we need not just bodies. If we regress and I now expect that to happen how many of those returning to the club with SC’s will be lost? Hopefully the club have it in hand and know what they’re doing, but the Giles situation has me thinking they have learnt very little and wanting to run a Tesla on pound shop batteries.
 
indeedido said:
Perhaps not, but we need quality now.
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I do agree with you there but again I would say every team in the league needs quality.

People seem worried about the three teams coming down but their squads have been ravaged and they all came down for a reason. All with new managers as well. Coventry have lost Gyokores, Blackburn have lost Brereton, Sunderland have lost Traore, Watford and West Brom are a mess off the pitch. Is that really that much to worry about?

It’s the same every summer! We do need a couple of quality players in but I don’t see why we won’t get them. And, like with Hackney, one of them may already be on the books waiting to come through. Who knows.
 
Scrug said:
I don’t think we’re going for the title this season. The club will say they are because that sells season tickets, but behind the scenes I doubt they’re targeting it.
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The clubs selling yet more false promises to the fans you only have to look at Giles and akpom's tweets to see the club isn't looking after players well
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
I do agree with you there but again I would say every team in the league needs quality.

People seem worried about the three teams coming down but their squads have been ravaged and they all came down for a reason. All with new managers as well. Coventry have lost Gyokores, Blackburn have lost Brereton, Sunderland have lost Traore, Watford and West Brom are a mess off the pitch. Is that really that much to worry about?

It’s the same every summer! We do need a couple of quality players in but I don’t see why we won’t get them. And, like with Hackney, one of them may already be on the books waiting to come through. Who knows.
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A couple? 👀

We need to replace 49 goals and 22 ish assists to tread water. 2 quality signings wont cut it. We need a LB, ST, 10, CM as a minimum to be as good as last season, and hope they stay fit too.

IMHO, Leicester will do a Burnley and I feel sick saying it, Leeds, will do well too. Southampton won’t do a Watford or WBA and will be top 6 I think. This league is unforgiving, I think there is a chance that 2 or 3 of the lads brought in may improve and take off in time, great we all want that, but given the nature of this league it is a tough ask for them to do so from the get go. Too many people trust our recruitment, the quality we had to get us to 4th was in the main down to loans not buys and our strength in that area is very open to criticism to date.

We all hope the likes of Silvera who has shown glimpses and Van Den Berg too become superstars, I hope Rogers and Gilbert (sounds like a pair of songwriters) set the league on fire, but to expect it to all click and replace what we have lost is a huge leap, It could happen, but the chances are slim in this league with the strength of the promoted teams, never mind the relegated ones, I have everything crossed the club are in control, but recent history does not bode well with that thought.
 
coluka said:
A couple? 👀

We need to replace 49 goals and 22 ish assists to tread water. 2 quality signings wont cut it. We need a LB, ST, 10, CM as a minimum to be as good as last season, and hope they stay fit too.

IMHO, Leicester will do a Burnley and I feel sick saying it, Leeds, will do well too. Southampton won’t do a Watford or WBA and will be top 6 I think. This league is unforgiving, I think there is a chance that 2 or 3 of the lads brought in may improve and take off in time, great we all want that, but given the nature of this league it is a tough ask for them to do so from the get go. Too many people trust our recruitment, the quality we had to get us to 4th was in the main down to loans not buys and our strength in that area is very open to criticism to date.

We all hope the likes of Silvera who has shown glimpses and Van Den Berg too become superstars, I hope Rogers and Gilbert (sounds like a pair of songwriters) set the league on fire, but to expect it to all click and replace what we have lost is a huge leap, It could happen, but the chances are slim in this league with the strength of the promoted teams, never mind the relegated ones, I have everything crossed the club are in control, but recent history does not bode well with that thought.
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49 goals?

People trusted our recruitment until about two weeks ago because it’s demonstrably improved over the past 12-18 months, perhaps longer. The players who’ve come in are better than what’s gone out, at a better age as well. There is a clear pattern to our permanent signings.

We’ve gone from 17th to 10th to 7th to 4th. In all that time, the club has been pilloried from left to right.

Recruitment is also about recruiting the right coaching staff and there’s no complaints on that front, surely. I just do not get this doom and gloom.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
49 goals?

People trusted our recruitment until about two weeks ago because it’s demonstrably improved over the past 12-18 months, perhaps longer. The players who’ve come in are better than what’s gone out, at a better age as well. There is a clear pattern to our permanent signings.

We’ve gone from 17th to 10th to 7th to 4th. In all that time, the club has been pilloried from left to right.

Recruitment is also about recruiting the right coaching staff and there’s no complaints on that front, surely. I just do not get this doom and gloom.
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Akpom 28
Archer 11
Ramsey 5
Watmore 5

Recruitment is also about retention

Akpom could walk for nowt
Giles, naivety springs to mind
Archer and Ramsey were quality loans
Steffen, personally its early days but I wasn’t a fan and think Dieng could be an upgrade, we’ll see, but the others are as Indeedido rightly stated plucked from a lucky bag and could be stars or could be flops, nobody, not even Scott can be sure.

We have upgraded on head coach that is clear.

Doom and gloom 👀 Thats your interpretation and a fair few others too tbf, but it isn’t, it is the reality of what has happened this summer so far. it is people expressing concern having had quality and seen it replaced with unknown quantities who could be anything and you can’t see the concern? Seriously, how hasn’t the hope of every season done you in? Things may work out wonderfully, nobody can say with certainty on anything, just perception based on known evidence, things may take a turn for the worse from what i perceive as a mid table squad as of now. We will see additions, hopefully real quality but We have some very big statistics to improve on.
 
Chatting to Sheff Weds, Preston, Blackburn and Huddersfield fans at work.

- None are happy with their transfer dealings - need more players

- All stating how skint their clubs are, loans are about the best they can hope for

- None predicting anything other than mid table being a good season

- All very doom and gloom.

Now, only a small sample I appreciate, but I would bet most Championship clubs are in the same position. We are not unique. Our situation is being felt across the league.

The times we live in I suppose, just need to be smarter than the other clubs, give ourselves more of a chance than them.
 
Hopefully we get a few more in before the end of the window. I don't think we have to worry that much though. We'll be able to put out a decent 11 on Saturday regardless and at home we can beat anh side in this league.
 
coluka said:
Akpom 28
Archer 11
Ramsey 5
Watmore 5

Recruitment is also about retention

Akpom could walk for nowt
Giles, naivety springs to mind
Archer and Ramsey were quality loans
Steffen, personally its early days but I wasn’t a fan and think Dieng could be an upgrade, we’ll see, but the others are as Indeedido rightly stated plucked from a lucky bag and could be stars or could be flops, nobody, not even Scott can be sure.

We have upgraded on head coach that is clear.

Doom and gloom 👀 Thats your interpretation and a fair few others too tbf, but it isn’t, it is the reality of what has happened this summer so far. it is people expressing concern having had quality and seen it replaced with unknown quantities who could be anything and you can’t see the concern? Seriously, how hasn’t the hope of every season done you in? Things may work out wonderfully, nobody can say with certainty on anything, just perception based on known evidence, things may take a turn for the worse from what i perceive as a mid table squad as of now. We will see additions, hopefully real quality but We have some very big statistics to improve on.
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When did Chuba leave? 😀

Giles, someone posted yesterday he got two assists after Christmas? May not be true but he was quieter towards the end of the season.

Agree on Archer and Ramsey. I was a Steffen fan but intrigued to see how Dieng gets on.

The young lads coming in intrigue me as well. Again though, we’re Archer and Giles off where we were at the stage in 2022. In my opinion anyway. That’s with a month of the window open and a full loan quota to use, plus the fact none of the Premier League clubs have started allowing players out on loan yet.

The retention has by and large been very good hasn’t it? Lots of players nailed down nice and early, including the Crown Jewels of Hackney, Fry and Coburn. The Akpom one is a bit sticky but absolutely nobody could’ve foresaw him smashing in that many goals and becoming so influential. That’s a bit of a quirk IMO.

But, as for the hope… well all I can say is roll on Saturday! I can’t wait for it to start. The signings will come in soon enough. I just want the actual games back on.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
When did Chuba leave? 😀

Giles, someone posted yesterday he got two assists after Christmas? May not be true but he was quieter towards the end of the season.

Agree on Archer and Ramsey. I was a Steffen fan but intrigued to see how Dieng gets on.

The young lads coming in intrigue me as well. Again though, we’re Archer and Giles off where we were at the stage in 2022. In my opinion anyway. That’s with a month of the window open and a full loan quota to use, plus the fact none of the Premier League clubs have started allowing players out on loan yet.

The retention has by and large been very good hasn’t it? Lots of players nailed down nice and early, including the Crown Jewels of Hackney, Fry and Coburn. The Akpom one is a bit sticky but absolutely nobody could’ve foresaw him smashing in that many goals and becoming so influential. That’s a bit of a quirk IMO.

But, as for the hope… well all I can say is roll on Saturday! I can’t wait for it to start. The signings will come in soon enough. I just want the actual games back on.
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He hasn’t left, no, you think he’ll replicate 28 goals or anywhere near it with less quality around him in his last season wanting to keep injury free ? 🤣

Appreciate your view, but we are Watmore down too, Archer and Ramsey were both January. The quality of opposition in the league is far better than last year too. Retention has been mixed, Akpom, McNair, Payero all in last year around £25M of talent unresolved? Not a great position for me. McNair might have to be kept now Smith is out, he may still be sold. Chuba won’t be here imho, if he is though will he be all in or wanting to look after himself for his next club? Payero, he’ll be loaned out for a fee id guess unless Carrick fancies him to do ok, that or he walks too in any event.

Aye roll on Saturday, lets hope we can get 3 points on the board. Opening day history could be better mind, we’re long overdue a win only had 2 in last 10 🤞
 
coluka said:
He hasn’t left, no, you think he’ll replicate 28 goals or anywhere near it with less quality around him in his last season wanting to keep injury free ? 🤣

Appreciate your view, but we are Watmore down too, Archer and Ramsey were both January. The quality of opposition in the league is far better than last year too. Retention has been mixed, Akpom, McNair, Payero all in last year around £25M of talent unresolved? Not a great position for me. McNair might have to be kept now Smith is out, he may still be sold. Chuba won’t be here imho, if he is though will he be all in or wanting to look after himself for his next club? Payero, he’ll be loaned out for a fee id guess unless Carrick fancies him to do ok, that or he walks too in any event.

Aye roll on Saturday, lets hope we can get 3 points on the board. Opening day history could be better mind, we’re long overdue a win only had 2 in last 10 🤞
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Nobody thought he’d score 28 goals in the first place so who are we to speculate on what he may or may not do this season. Less quality around him? Well Giles has gone but his form had turned long before Archer and Ramsey were playing for us.

I think he scored more goals in Carrick’s first 9 games before the window opened than he had done in all his previous Boro games combined, across two or three years. However long he’d been around.. Better players help of course but Chuba was already flying.

How are you measuring the quality of the relegated teams? All of them have new managers. Leeds are in turmoil off the field? Or has thar takeover been completed now. But they went through 3 managers last season and have lost Koch, Forshaw, Aaronson, McKennie, Kristensen, Wober, Roberts, Rodrigo, Llorente, Roca and Robles and added Ampadu and Darlow. I’m hardly quaking in my boots.

Leicester, again, have lost Evans, Mendy, Barnes, Maddison, Tielemans, Soyuncu, Perez, Amartey, Bertrand… you take that amount of experience and quality out of any bottom three Premier League team are they are going to well and truly feel it.

Southampton were a crèche with Walcott and Ward-Prowse looking after the bairns. One has gone, the other is on his way. A new manager, a board nobody likes or trusts, issues off the pitch.

It’s just my opinion but the division is no different to any other season. It’s a slog. One of those 3 teams will probably motor away to promotion but the rest of it is up for grabs. In fact I think more so this season than for a while.

We’ll be right up there again. I think Millwall, Sunderland, Blackburn, Norwich… probably 5 or 6 others will be pushing. Just like almost every other season.

Bring it on.
 
WoodallServices said:
Everyone was clamouring for us to follow the Brentford method and we have. Now everyone is “Who the f*cks he”, “Never heard of him” or “He will just be used as cover” etc etc. I’ve got news for you folks…….that’s how it works!
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Brentford's model wasn't to go in to the season without a first choice striker or left back.
 
WoodallServices said:
Everyone was clamouring for us to follow the Brentford method and we have. Now everyone is “Who the f*cks he”, “Never heard of him” or “He will just be used as cover” etc etc. I’ve got news for you folks…….that’s how it works!
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Exactly, if you buy these promising players but then don't play them then they do not improve. I think some of our fans want to have their cake and eat it.

I think we are in the hunt for a number 9 and a left back. Our midfield and attacking mid is done I think.

From the opening game of last season we are watmore, giles and steffen down i think? And we have all the new attacking players to replace watmore in whatever order Carrick chooses to use them. We are certainly weaker at LB and could do with howson back ASAP.

These people saying we finish mid-table, I would love them to explain the 9 or 10 sides who have better squads than us currently?
 
TeaCider said:
I don't think we are starting this season stronger though.

The squad is weaker.

No first choice striker.
No fit right backs.
1 fit left back and he's a fringe player who we strangely offered a new contract.
Akpom injured and probably leaving.

The only potentially better position is the manager, and arguably midfield though even that is questionable with Howson injured.

Last season has shown that even a really bad start isn't fatal, but it's still not a great position to be starting the season in.

We've just got to hope that we get a surprise package like Akpom stepping up.

Hoppe hat-trick from the bench will do.
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Hoppe hat-trick from the bench will do.

Spat my tea out!
 
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