The Government plans to bring in photo ID for elections

It also adds another layer of bureaucracy to the process, the time it takes for the staff to scrutinise everyone's photo ID before each vote will add up.

Queues in some locations are bad enough without extra delays which would potentially put even more off from voting.

Which will not necessarily benefit the Tories.
 
There has to be a broader why of proving your identity if this is brought in.

What I don't understand is why voting isn't done electronically with instant counting. It was done for the census this year and voting on line takes place for other matters.

You would think it would also increase voter turnout or in this case people voting.
 
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With a push toward postal voting. It would be in peoples interest to check out a company called idox
They are beginning to handle more of the UK Gov. tech stuff, including postal ballots. Already one ‘interesting’ member of the board.
Postal ballot fraud is becoming more of a problem. This should also be addressed if they’re serious about voting security.
 
Capybara said:
What voter fraud? How much is there? What evidence is there for it?

They are inventing a problem that doesn't exist.
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Many of the advocates argue that illegal voting is linked to minorities and therefore it helps Labour - recent election results would suggest otherwise. This, along with proposed boundary changes, are designed to suppress opposition votes.
 
Cuthbert said:
That's a bit out of order mate. Appreciate that you don't agree with the bloke. (You and I have disagreed on civil liberty issues before).

Providing that photo ID is free and (relatively easy) to get hold of, then I don't see that it's too much of an issue, as a proof of identity to reduce voter fraud. If it's complicated or expensive to get hold of, and would exclude voters on that basis, then it's a 'no' for now.

My only photo ID is my passport, and I wouldn't have a problem taking it with me to prove that I am who I'm meant to be (regarding polling card).

I can see others on here vehemently disagree.
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Dont forget passports are about 80 quid which is a fortune if on min wage or universal credit
 
Capybara said:
What voter fraud? How much is there? What evidence is there for it?

They are inventing a problem that doesn't exist.
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This is exactly the point.
Voter fraud is minimal and certainly not enough to impact any race other than the very, very closest of races where a handful of votes is the difference.
Making voting harder will drive down turnout and hence make the results less reflective of the population.
Now add in what is said on the Freeport thread about the Tories being fast and loose with the truth and you can see why they are most likely to benefit from a lower turnout. If you tell vote grabbing lies on the side of a bus then it's much easier to win in a lower turnout and it makes mounting a credible opposition much harder as it requires the other parties to get the truth out to more voters and to encourage them to turn out and vote.
 
I don't have a Driving Licence photo ID - I have an old fashioned paper one and I believe lots of people are the same too.
I had to send it away once for change of address etc and I expected to get a card back but didn't.
 
Randy said:
Call me bonkers but why can't we just have a system where the various leaders of the different parties are listed on the ballot paper and whoever gets the most wins?
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Because we are not America, its called a parliamentary democracy for a reason
 
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
 
NoMushroom said:
I firmly believe that if you have nothing to hide, there's nothing to worry about

We have passports, driving licence, NHS numbers, bank accounts - they know everything about us anyway
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Lots of people do not have passports or driving licences. For them a foriegn holiday or car ownership is a dream. These are the type of people who would not vote Tory anyway so I can see why they want to introduce this.
NHS numbers and bank accounts are not photo ID.
I have nothing to hide but I do worry about my freedom being taken away from me and from others
 
It’s just another way of discouraging the poorer members of society to vote, the Tories know these members of society are less likely to vote Tory - these bastàrds must be stopped at all costs, and as has already been suggested we need other parties to work together to stop these lot getting in again at the next election




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atypical_boro said:
One thing I don't fully get though is why this will benefit the Tories? Won't there by plenty of Tory voters who forget their ID/can't be bothered etc too?
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WeeGord said:
The majority of people without photo ID are the poorest in society and therefore much less likely to be Tory voters. Those beneath the poverty line are far less likely to drive or have a passport and so this voter ID requirement could potentially cost Labour a huge number of votes. That is the real reason behind it.
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Add to that in the 2017 election a lot of first time voted backed Corbyn. Ok he likely lost some in 2019 but its the Tories stopping it happening in the future.
 
In the 1930's the Dutch government was carrying out a planning exercise in Amsterdam in order to provide places of worship for various religions in Amsterdam and where abouts in the city to best build them to serve the local communities.. This involved collecting the names and addresses of members of these religions. The information was provided voluntarily. Among the religions surveyed were Jews.
When the Nazis invaded Holland and took over Amsterdam they found the names and addresses of every Jew in the city stored in the city hall.
Still..... if you 've got nothing to hide etc..........
 
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