The Government plans to bring in photo ID for elections

Laughing said:
You're just an idiot or a troll.
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That's a bit out of order mate. Appreciate that you don't agree with the bloke. (You and I have disagreed on civil liberty issues before).

Providing that photo ID is free and (relatively easy) to get hold of, then I don't see that it's too much of an issue, as a proof of identity to reduce voter fraud. If it's complicated or expensive to get hold of, and would exclude voters on that basis, then it's a 'no' for now.

My only photo ID is my passport, and I wouldn't have a problem taking it with me to prove that I am who I'm meant to be (regarding polling card).

I can see others on here vehemently disagree.
 
how does this apply to postal votes. If you can be bothered to get a photo ID or register for a postal vote - should you really be voting?
 
WeeGord said:
The majority of people without photo ID are the poorest in society and therefore much less likely to be Tory voters.
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Is that even true nowadays? I know it was in the past.

I'm happy to assume he wouldn't be doing this if it wasn't to benefit him, he'd only do it if benefitted him, but I'm just not entirely sure the traditional 'poor people vote Labour' is really a thing anymore. Is there something else we're missing?
 
JonnyHistory said:
They are taking a page straight from the Republicans playbook and are looking to disenfranchise anyone who is not typically a Tory supporter ie. those not born with a silver spoon in their mouths or too stupid to see through the Tory rhetoric and sophistry.

Like with all policies you need to ask yourself, who does this benefit? is there a need for it? who will it impact? The answer is easy; Nobody but the Tories, no and no. The levels of voter fraud are tiny and almost always picked up on before they can have any impact this policy serves no purpose but to make voting harder for the working class.
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They are the new Tory voters, the ones who only want Brexit Done.
 
atypical_boro said:
Is that even true nowadays? I know it was in the past.

I'm happy to assume he wouldn't be doing this if it wasn't to benefit him, but I'm just not entirely sure the traditional 'poor people vote Labour' is really a thing anymore.
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Some background here . If ID is restricted to passports or driving licences, 25% of the population wouldn't be able to vote. Photo ID is required in NI where a system introduced for getting ID was introduced. I presume the same would happen here. On R4 this morning they were saying ethnic groups would potentially be penalised the most by this.
 
WeeGord said:
The majority of people without photo ID are the poorest in society and therefore much less likely to be Tory voters. Those beneath the poverty line are far less likely to drive or have a passport and so this voter ID requirement could potentially cost Labour a huge number of votes. That is the real reason behind it.
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If that is genuinely the reason behind it, then I agree it stinks. That seems a slightly 'conspiracy theory' to me though. Surely it would help to reduce voter fraud. (Although I absolutely admit that I don't know how much of a genuine issue voter fraud is - ie. the extent of it)?

It would have to be free to get your photo ID.
 
Cuthbert said:
If that is genuinely the reason behind it, then I agree it stinks. That seems a slightly 'conspiracy theory' to me though. Surely it would help to reduce voter fraud. (Although I absolutely admit that I don't know how much of a genuine issue voter fraud is - ie. the extent of it)?

It would have to be free to get your photo ID.
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There is no conspiracy theory to be seen here - simply the Tories trying to further load the dice in their favour in any way they can. Fraud is virtually none-existant.
 
Cuthbert said:
That's a bit out of order mate. Appreciate that you don't agree with the bloke. (You and I have disagreed on civil liberty issues before).

Providing that photo ID is free and (relatively easy) to get hold of, then I don't see that it's too much of an issue, as a proof of identity to reduce voter fraud. If it's complicated or expensive to get hold of, and would exclude voters on that basis, then it's a 'no' for now.

My only photo ID is my passport, and I wouldn't have a problem taking it with me to prove that I am who I'm meant to be (regarding polling card).

I can see others on here vehemently disagree.
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It's not that I disagree with him Cuthbert, its the nonsense he spouts. He has to be a troll. Happy to engage with someone sensibly, even if I don't see eye to eye.

For example, it's everyones right to vote if you are a british citizen and not in jail. Who are any government to put barriers in our way? Who does this impact, the poorest people. Many people have died gaining and defending our right to vote and any political party who tries to curtail that to stay in power should be hung from the gates of downing street as an example to any that come after.

ID is not necessary to stop fraud, thats an idiotic line to feed the public that this government clearly feels contempt for.
 
bear66 said:
Some background here . If ID is restricted to passports or driving licences, 25% of the population wouldn't be able to vote. Photo ID is required in NI where a system introduced for getting ID was introduced. I presume the same would happen here. On R4 this morning they were saying ethnic groups would potentially be penalised the most by this.
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I can only assume its the BAME issue, from that, that he's going for.
 
Cuthbert said:
I've asked the same question in my follow up post. I don't imagine it's a huge thing?
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It's worth trying to think through how you would organise voting fraud significant enough to have an effect on an election. Extremely difficult I reckon. And therefore highly unlikely to occur.
 
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