The end?

[BoroMart]

My guess is potential civil war in Moscow. The riot police are allowing protesters around the Kremlin (thus far).

Absolutely. His actions have cost a lot of powerful people a lot of wealth and opportunity. These oligarchs are not going to take it lying down, there will be a power grab, some for altruistic reasons and some for personal wealth and power. There will absolutely be infighting as different fragments fight for control and political direction

 

[Smoggle]

Russian Forces eliminate up to 300 Ukrainian servicemen near Kharkov​

Russian forces hit seven Ukrainian Armed Forces command posts in DPR and Nikolayev Region, as well as 48 enemy artillery units in 178 districts, Russian Armed Forces spokesman Lieutenant General Igor Konashenkov said.

Russian Forces eliminate up to 300 Ukrainian servicemen near Kharkov

Russian forces hit seven Ukrainian Armed Forces command posts in DPR and Nikolayev Region, as well as 48 enemy artillery units in 178 districts, Russian Armed Forces spokesman Lieutenant General Igor Konashenkov said

tass.com

For any posters not savvy with the media output, TASS is Russian state owned and anything they publish should be expected to be Kremlin endorsed, and as I can personally attest, much Kremlin output is utter fantasy. Russian tabloids make some of our jingoistic rags look pretty tame.

There’s a lot of information coming out just now suggesting significant Ukrainian gains, let’s hope so as this war will only have a positive end with a Russian capitulation or Ukraine negotiating from a position of strength - all the calls for negotiations previously would have seen a sovereign nation giving up land, people and resources to an invader, whilst leaving them vulnerable to an absolutely inevitable future “Special Military Operation”. However, any news we’re getting is likely already out of date so whilst I’m quietly optimistic, Russia’s military capabilities shouldn’t be completely disregarded.

 

[TeessideCleveland]

Russian Forces eliminate up to 300 Ukrainian servicemen near Kharkov​

Russian forces hit seven Ukrainian Armed Forces command posts in DPR and Nikolayev Region, as well as 48 enemy artillery units in 178 districts, Russian Armed Forces spokesman Lieutenant General Igor Konashenkov said.

Russian Forces eliminate up to 300 Ukrainian servicemen near Kharkov

Russian forces hit seven Ukrainian Armed Forces command posts in DPR and Nikolayev Region, as well as 48 enemy artillery units in 178 districts, Russian Armed Forces spokesman Lieutenant General Igor Konashenkov said

tass.com

A list of things destroyed/ Ukrainian troops liberating their land killed ,but no mention of moving forward - as they're on the retreat

 

[Smoggle]

My error, this is a different clip. Been out with the dog. My source tells me that these are troops from the 11th and that the location is near Ikea and the turn off towards the Kremlin.
He reckons that they have been quietly closing off access to government buildings. Unconfirmed again.

Which IKEA? The only two I remember was one in Khimki just outside Moscow to the NW, and Tyoply Stan to the south, both a significant distance from the Kremlin- there may of course be more but they’re the ones my wife dragged me to!
For the record on that vid the road sign is to Balashikha, a city just to NE of Moscow and then Nizhny Novgorod a few hours east, so that will be a road from the east.

 

[borolad259]

Which IKEA? The only two I remember was one in Khimki just outside Moscow to the NW, and Tyoply Stan to the south, both a significant distance from the Kremlin- there may of course be more but they’re the ones my wife dragged me to!
For the record on that vid the road sign is to Balashikha, a city just to NE of Moscow and then Nizhny Novgorod a few hours east, so that will be a road from the east.

That's what I thought earlier, that it must be out East. He may be wrong, but he reckoned they are from the 11th.
I don't know Moscow geographically.

We'll have to wait and see.

 

[sweet_left_foot]

Tobias Schneider
@tobiaschneider
·
18h
I'm trying not to lap up every rumor circulating around Telegram, but the main challenge in establishing a clear picture of the situation in Kharkiv appears to be that Russian lines are collapsing faster than Ukraine can even advance and clear liberated areas. Astonishing.

 

[BobUpnDown]

City councillors including the Moscow City Council have asked the Duma to strip Putin of his powers. The Mayor of Moscow in power grab?.
Putin returning from the far east on his plane and has called an emergency meeting apparently.

Power struggle is on.

Hope the assembly is held on the ground floor, else many that, are / may be, involved may meet with a sudden fall..

Putin & his cronies need to go, though he's purged most opposition & seeded institutions with his people.. can't see this ending in anything less than a massacre..

 

[Smoggle]

That's what I thought earlier, that it must be out East.

That area is densely populated, and government buildings are everywhere as the city is separated into many smaller administrative areas and that’s before you get into the oblast and the surrounding conglomeration of cities/towns that pretty much merge into Moscow (Reutov, Balashikha, Podolsk, Dolgoprudny, Dzerzhinsk, Lyubertsy, Mytishchi, Khimki, Odintsovo, Nakhabino etc etc), many of which are huge military areas too, I’m not doubting anything as I genuinely don’t know, but closing of government buildings quietly would be a massive undertaking involving significant manpower… of course they may be more selective in which government buildings to focus on, but I just hope they have the right paperwork because the inevitable babushka receptionists will not accept anything less than everything signed in triplicate or you ain’t closing anything, ak-47 or not!

 

[borolad259]

That area is densely populated, and government buildings are everywhere as the city is separated into many smaller administrative areas and that’s before you get into the oblast and the surrounding conglomeration of cities/towns that pretty much merge into Moscow (Reutov, Balashikha, Podolsk, Dolgoprudny, Dzerzhinsk, Lyubertsy, Mytishchi, Khimki, Odintsovo, Nakhabino etc etc), many of which are huge military areas too, I’m not doubting anything as I genuinely don’t know, but closing of government buildings quietly would be a massive undertaking involving significant manpower… of course they may be more selective in which government buildings to focus on, but I just hope they have the right paperwork because the inevitable babushka receptionists will not accept anything less than everything signed in triplicate or you ain’t closing anything, ak-47 or not!

There are images on twitter right now of streets blocked off, but no indication why or by whom. Apparently no-one knows what the 11th intend, why they are there. They aren't communicating as far as I understand it. I don't think they are there to celebrate.

 

[Ziggy]

This is starting to sound like the Solzhenitsyn novel August 1914. When the Czarist army was defeated at the battle of Tannenberg, they just turned round and headed back to Russia. Then came the revolution.

 

[Smoggle]

There are images on twitter right now of streets blocked off, but no indication why or by whom. Apparently no-one knows what the 11th intend, why they are there. They aren't communicating as far as I understand it. I don't think they are there to celebrate.

Yeah I doubt celebrating is on the cards even if it is a ‘birthday’ for Moscow, let’s hope it’s the beginning of the end for Putin and not a Putinist crackdown, although he’s teflon. That said, it’s always been suggested by commentators I respect that when a figure like Putin falls, it’s often very quick, very hard and very unexpected.
As an aside, the few Muscovites I’m still in contact with haven’t said anything but I’ll keep my eyes open.

 

[Ingleby_Flash]

Donetsk airport being attacked now, apparently.

 

[FabioPorkpie]

Wish there was a way to follow these developments and get some expert opinion or verification of events. Something like…the News. Oh. That’s off.
I mean, these things happening as described here, if true, really are potentially world changing events.

 

[ThePrisoner]

I hope people aren't reading too much into these events.

 

[borolad259]

Wish there was a way to follow these developments and get some expert opinion or verification of events. Something like…the News. Oh. That’s off.
I mean, these things happening as described here, if true, really are potentially world changing events.

The main news outlets have been about 48 hours behind actual events for some time, often longer.

Still no clear indication what's going on in Moscow yet.

 

[Boroboyyo]

I hope people aren't reading too much into these events.

In terms of what is happening in Moscow , I sadly feel people are .

 

[FabioPorkpie]

In terms of what is happening in Moscow , I sadly feel people are .

It’s difficult to know, really. I’m pretty sure that hope is clouding my own judgment on all of this. Fingers crossed anyway

 

[Boroboyyo]

It’s difficult to know, really. I’m pretty sure that hope is clouding my own judgment on all of this. Fingers crossed anyway

I would love Putin to be removed . The only way I can see civil unrest though is if :

- Russia declares war and forces general mobilisation .
- Russia is completely removed from Ukraine

We have to remember is their government owns the media . Any pull back can be spinner any way they want

Kharkiv seems to be very bad for Russia .But donbas and Kherson oblast might pose a different challenge

 

[borolad259]

I would love Putin to be removed . The only way I can see civil unrest though is if :

- Russia declares war and forces general mobilisation .
- Russia is completely removed from Ukraine

We have to remember is their government owns the media . Any pull back can be spinner any way they want

Kharkiv seems to be very bad for Russia .But donbas and Kherson oblast might pose a different challenge

I think military coup is the only way it will happen. The road closures in Moscow are for the celebratory parades. Can't see a coup happening today with all that going on.

 

[Smoggle]

Putin has dominated and moulded the Russian state apparatus to work to his own ends, to the extent that different agencies/ministries work against each other in their attempts to appease Putin, who in turn gives them a bit of power and prestige (£$€). This makes an internal coup very difficult as who will be first to risk mentioning the possibility? Who can be trusted?

It’s a very clever system until the moment it isn’t, when enough disgruntled people feel able to conspire and manoeuvre (possibly after a military failure, economic strife, panicking elites and international ostracisation). Are we there now? I very much doubt it, but there’s always hope and, like I mentioned earlier, if it is to go that way then these things often happen unexpectedly fast - could be tomorrow, could be 10 years.