The end?

borolad259 said:
I don't think anyone wants Kalingrad.
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That’s why I don’t think Russia will be happy to just walk away with kalingrad though . That’s my point . It’s a nuclear fortress and also no one even wanted it when Gorbachev was giving it away

Putin would be a dead man walking in Russia if he agreed to that . As much as I would like to see him dead , I just can’t see him agreeing to that
 
Boroboyyo said:
That’s why I don’t think Russia will be happy to just walk away with kalingrad though . That’s my point . It’s a nuclear fortress and also no one even wanted it when Gorbachev was giving it away

Putin would be a dead man walking in Russia if he agreed to that . As much as I would like to see him dead , I just can’t see him agreeing to that
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It seems clear that he is ramping things up.
 
Mwelolo said:
It seems clear that he is ramping things up.
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My question is , with what weaponry ? General mobilisation Needs lots of ammo and weaponry . The Russians seem to be lacking it. Even their most abundant weaponry ( artillery ) is a lot lower than before .

At least all those z patriots get to show how they’re willing to die for mother Russia though . Easy chatting **** about war and supporting Putin committing genocide on Ukrainians from the comfort of their own homes
 
Boroboyyo said:
That’s why I don’t think Russia will be happy to just walk away with kalingrad though . That’s my point . It’s a nuclear fortress and also no one even wanted it when Gorbachev was giving it away

Putin would be a dead man walking in Russia if he agreed to that . As much as I would like to see him dead , I just can’t see him agreeing to that
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They may not have much choice.
 
Would the recent talk of a a trade coalition with the likes of Iran, China, North Korea etc have a bearing on Putin's next steps? I've read reports that Russian soldiers have been using Iranian supplied weapons over the past two weeks with some even commenting that their are actually Iranian soldiers on the ground in Ukraine.
 
Boroboyyo said:
As others have said , I think it will resort to general mobilisation .

If he agreed to the terms you’re suggesting, he wouldn’t choose to address the nation tonight to essentially tell them Russia has capitulated
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The general mobilisation was proposed as law 2 weeks ago (and is a non-starter). And the nuclear threats are completely at odds with general mobilisation. But both add up to adopting an aggressive posture for negotiation, IMO. In the past, other world leaders deferred to Putin. Now, they are openly defying him and telling him what Russia needs to do. Short of the nuclear option, he has no choice at the moment. The Ukraine is already a bigger military power, thanks in no small part to Russian hardware donations. The Elite Russian forces have gone home, or are in Moscow. And in a week or so, lend/lease kicks in. They can keep fighting and degrade their own forces further, or find a way to withdraw with some kind of honour and nt suffer complete humiliation.
This is my speculation entirely (but informed by what I have been told).

They are partial to eating goat in Turkey mind.
 
Randy said:
Would the recent talk of a a trade coalition with the likes of Iran, China, North Korea etc have a bearing on Putin's next steps? I've read reports that Russian soldiers have been using Iranian supplied weapons over the past two weeks with some even commenting that their are actually Iranian soldiers on the ground in Ukraine.
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They have been using Iranian supplied drones which are single use suicide drones with the explosive capability of a 155 shell. Only about 30% reach their intended target.
 
SocraTees said:
Interesting if scary analysis.

samf.substack.com

Going Nuclear

On thinking the unthinkable (with postscript)
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Superb read. Thanks for sharing.

I personally believe after everything that's gone on over the last few months that Putin has two options he's contemplating.

1) flattening Kiev as some sort of 'told you so' crap before he's removed, probably lethally from power

or

2) privately admits he's failed and escapes to a country without extradition or where he cannot be found to live out the rest of his days. The world is a big place, their are plenty of places he could disappear to with his wealth.
 
Randy said:
Superb read. Thanks for sharing.

I personally believe after everything that's gone on over the last few months that Putin has two options he's contemplating.

1) flattening Kiev as some sort of 'told you so' crap before he's removed, probably lethally from power

or

2) privately admits he's failed and escapes to a country without extradition or where he cannot be found to live out the rest of his days. The world is a big place, their are plenty of places he could disappear to with his wealth.
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See earlier post. He has made his bed in Turkey. Although given what may be going on in Moscow right now, he might no get to lay in it.
 
The 11th that I told you about earlier in this thread have surrounded the Kremlin. Other tanks surround the Duma. Patrushev tried to declare marshal law. Not seeing any of this on twitter yet.
 
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