"The Brexit Effect: How leaving the EU hit the UK." Financial Times. [V-28:24]

gizasqueezemister

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100% my position too, and has been for some time, hence never fully understanding the "deeper integration = bad" line.

If you look at the EU governmental institutions they are mostly governed by pragmatic, rational and highly educated people. "The Grown Ups" if you will. Compare and contrast that with the plethora of screaming lunatics we have running things here and a stark reality presents itself.

Unfortunately there wasn't an option for even closer ties with Europe on the ballot and our country is arguably much worse off for that fact.
There's always an option. If you genuinely feel that much affinity with the EU and so disenfranchised with the way the UK is heading you are only a regional flight away from the promised land. I have the option to apply for Spanish citizenship but I choose not to. But it's an option. If you really fancy a change man, au revoir, adios, wiedersehen, toodle pip.
 

m3t4tr0n

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There's always an option. If you genuinely feel that much affinity with the EU and so disenfranchised with the way the UK is heading you are only a regional flight away from the promised land. I have the option to apply for Spanish citizenship but I choose not to. But it's an option. If you really fancy a change man, au revoir, adios, wiedersehen, toodle pip.
That's nice you have that option ... not quite so easy for the rest of us any more though is it ?
 

NYboro

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There's always an option. If you genuinely feel that much affinity with the EU and so disenfranchised with the way the UK is heading you are only a regional flight away from the promised land. I have the option to apply for Spanish citizenship but I choose not to. But it's an option. If you really fancy a change man, au revoir, adios, wiedersehen, toodle pip.
Absolutely clueless.
 

gizasqueezemister

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Absolutely clueless.
Fair dos that was slightly tongue in cheek naughty. On a serious note. If there is such a shift towards rejoining (and it appears there is) then this would surely be a vote winner for whoever has the stones to put it up front and Centre as a manifesto pledge. I understand the risk but is it not better to be up front now rather than sneak it in after being elected. I don’t buy the view they wouldn’t have us back either. That’s always been the EUs long game. Anyway answers after the game..,
 

Johnnyweetabix

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Well a bit of real world impact I am seeing . I work for a local big employer . This year and as the tail
end of last year we have seen our sales drop considerably . We mainly sell to Europe and the amount of work has dried up massively despite selling as hard as before . For sure some of it might be the economy but also we have European customers who have blatantly said their fear of Brexit is a reason we haven’t won with them , we have countries in Europe offering incentives to stay in EU and mutual recognition of regulations slowly crumbling which will be a disaster for the company and the 1000+ staff who work there
 

Redwurzel

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Johnny sounds like you working for a big company and they possibly need to set a depot in the EU area. See what Hampstead Tea did in the video. Is that what you mean "by countries offering incentives to stay in EU"

Is your company a UK manufacturer?

Btw - Is it non traiff barriers that are causing the problem?

If so, which particular barriers are being put up?
 
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SmallTown

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Johnny sounds like you are a big company and you possibly need to set a depot in the EU area. See what Hampstead Tea did in the video. Is that what you mean "by countries offering incentives"

Is it non traiff barriers that are causing the problem?

If so, which particular barriers are being put up?
Set up a depot in the EU! Ah ok, I didn’t realise spent a massive amount of money and giving taxes to the EU was considered a “Brexit benefit” you lives and you learns I guess
 

Redwurzel

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Boston in Lincolnshire is miles from anywhere and particularly from the middle class jobs that tend to be in the large cities that the local people there were asking for. It is definitely part of left behind Britain with low wages and declining wages in relative terms with the rest of the UK.

It would be nice if trendy "Politics Joe" fought a bit more for these remote working class communities (from their London offices).
 

r00fie1

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Boston in Lincolnshire is miles from anywhere and particularly from the middle class jobs that tend to be in the large cities that the local people there were asking for. It is definitely part of left behind Britain with low wages and declining wages in relative terms with the rest of the UK.

It would be nice if trendy "Politics Joe" fought a bit more for these remote working class communities (from their London offices).
Massive shortage of agricultural labour in Lincolnshire - vegetables and fruit left rotting in the fields from Sleaford to Firsby.
Boston looks worn out.
Historically neglected town.
 

exiledinboro

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Boston in Lincolnshire is miles from anywhere and particularly from the middle class jobs that tend to be in the large cities that the local people there were asking for. It is definitely part of left behind Britain with low wages and declining wages in relative terms with the rest of the UK.

It would be nice if trendy "Politics Joe" fought a bit more for these remote working class communities (from their London offices).

Totally agree

Same with O’Brien who’s basically the modern day Jeremy Kyle. A former public School Boy who finds people he can take the p£&& our off but now it’s brexit voters instead of people who live in council houses

🤦‍♂️

He couldn’t stand Corbyn who could of changed people lives by making housing affordable, invest in deprived regions and made the arguments for levelling up and had green plans and was truly transformative

And even if you take Corbyn out and stick to the policies these supposed “left wing” presenters like channel 4 have made it clear it’s his policies that also have to go 🤦‍♂️
 
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Redwurzel

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Roofie - I worked in Lincoln for a year in the early 1990s and taught students from many parts of Lincolnshire. Boston was seen as probably the most deprived then. It was over 60 minutes drive to Lincoln to get to College for them.

Fruit and Vegetables - Although the price of food has shot up in general - fruit and veg appears to be same price it was 20 years ago - A bag of apples is £2 etc retail and probably 80p whole sale.

All posters - Ref Politics Joe - if George Orwell (Left wing Eton schoolboy) was alive today make these videos degrading working class people?
 

r00fie1

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Roofie - I worked in Lincoln for a year in the early 1990s and taught students from many parts of Lincolnshire. Boston was seen as probably the most deprived then. It was over 60 minutes drive to Lincoln to get to College for them.

Fruit and Vegetables - Although the price of food has shot up in general - fruit and veg appears to be same price it was 20 years ago - A bag of apples is £2 etc retail and probably 80p whole sale.

All posters - Ref Politics Joe - if George Orwell (Left wing Eton schoolboy) was alive today make these videos degrading working class people?
Boston used to be on my "patch" and I would visit once a month.
Many of the bed-an-breakfasts and the properties which housed European Workers became empty and the town looks incredibly run down.
Its a shame.
I hadnt been through it for many years, but felt some comfort that the Boston "Stump" was still in existence: as I arrived at the station - it still appeared to move round the train....
Boston needs a lot of TLC. Its no wonder they voted for Brexit - but the Town has been completely neglected by Central Government.
mmmm
 

SmallTown

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I've got to credit @Redwurzel here to be fair. He's doing the best job of Brexit deflection I've ever seen. Ignoring utterly when his points get countered and then expending massive amounts of energy to bring up completely unconnected examples of things happening in industry. If only he had put that much effort into working out the Brexit lies in the first place!
 

Trug

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Boston used to be on my "patch" and I would visit once a month.
Many of the bed-an-breakfasts and the properties which housed European Workers became empty and the town looks incredibly run down.
Its a shame.
I hadnt been through it for many years, but felt some comfort that the Boston "Stump" was still in existence: as I arrived at the station - it still appeared to move round the train....
Boston needs a lot of TLC. Its no wonder they voted for Brexit - but the Town has been completely neglected by Central Government.
mmmm
"but the Town has been completely neglected by Central Government.
mmmm"

The same as most northern towns, especially when the Tories are in government. Labour did throw some scraps to Northerners, just enough to stop them starving (relative to the South East). It's no wonder people voted the way they did, neither colour of government have given much to the north since Labour in the 70's but I wonder what they expected from the Tories in a post Brexit era.
 

Johnnyweetabix

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Johnny sounds like you working for a big company and they possibly need to set a depot in the EU area. See what Hampstead Tea did in the video. Is that what you mean "by countries offering incentives to stay in EU"

Is your company a UK manufacturer?

Btw - Is it non traiff barriers that are causing the problem?

If so, which particular barriers are being put up?
Pharmaceutical developing and manufacturing biologics for 3rd party clients who currently are thinking it’s just easier to go with the competition or develop the process and make it in the USA with one of our company subsidiaries . We have over a thousand staff
 

Redwurzel

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Tend to agree Trug - but Boston to me is a more extreme version for left behindness, partly because of its remoteness. Towns such as Bradford and Huddersfield are daily commutable to the like of Leeds and Manchester, but Boston is not a daily commute to a Metro City or London. In Boston local agricultural wages stayed low and fell back in relative terms to the wages in the cities. This was all prior to 2016. Voting Tory was partly because voting for Labour and Liberals etc was not helping. In fact voting in left behin areas was dropping prior to 2016 because they felt it made no difference. Many people I imagine were feeling disenfranchised. People were so desperate in Harlepool they formed their own Local Labour candidate. The scraps mentioned were often more disability bebefits hence some towns/areas ended up with 33% on disability benefits, many of those in receipt would prefer the pride of real work. I have noticed the media don't like focusing in these issues, maybe because it does not affect them directly. The BBC to their credit do occasionally do news stories and articles and even a documentary Mighty Redcar (although the political angle was kept out).
 

Redwurzel

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Pharmaceutical developing and manufacturing biologics for 3rd party clients who currently are thinking it’s just easier to go with the competition or develop the process and make it in the USA with one of our company subsidiaries . We have over a thousand staff
Sounds like you make a poroduct opposed to distribute other products or sell a service?

I asked because selling a product has more scope for setting up a EU distribution service i.e ship in bulk to Belgium and then samller distribution from Belgium to particularly small customers in the EU.

I used to work for a electronic/electrical switcher distributor in the UK. Half of what they sold were CK Switches (one of the World's largest manufacturers og high quality switches). These switches were made in the USA. We then sold them to over 100 customers in the UK. I don't remember needing masses of importation paperwork and the transport took 48 hours from North Carolina to our UK warehouse. Some duty was paid but not excessively high rates. Thats why I am bit puzzled when I hear it takes 2 weeks and masses of paperwork to move something from say Dover to Calais.

I am interested in the phrase "easier to go" what does that mean in practice i.e less paperwork, less delays etc
 

exiledinboro

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What actually is the problem with Boston?

Has the manufacturing left in which case what has it been replaced with or has there been nothing?

And if every government since Thatcher has been loosely following the same political policies then no wonder they gave up switching between Labour and Tories and voted for change when brexit came along.

We now have over 80% of the economy based on services. That tells you this goes back before brexit and right back to Thatcher then Blair and there should have been a plan outside London and the big cities

Starmer seems to be saying we need to train people up but for what? It looks like we've sold our industries and they've moved abroad a long time ago
 

NYboro

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Sounds like you make a poroduct opposed to distribute other products or sell a I don't remember needing masses of importation paperwork and the transport took 48 hours from North Carolina to our UK warehouse. Some duty was paid but not excessively high rates. Thats why I am bit puzzled when I hear it takes 2 weeks and masses of paperwork to move something from say Dover to Calais.

I am interested in the phrase "easier to go" what does that mean in practice i.e less paperwork, less delays etc
Why is it so difficult to understand that leaving the EU involves all the extra paperwork? That was the choice that those who voted to leave made.
 
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