"The Brexit Effect: How leaving the EU hit the UK." Financial Times. [V-28:24]

ThePrisoner

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Why is it so difficult to understand that leaving the EU involves all the extra paperwork? That was the choice that those who voted to leave made.
Mr Wurzel seems to think that because one particular electrical item can be imported easily everything else should be the same. The world does not work like that.
 

Redwurzel

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Switches is a big market actually. C&K switches manufacture 55,000 different types some are very technical. Its a billion dollar company. These are not electrical light switches that Posters buy at B&Q..

What I find difficult to understand is why a product was perfectly fine to export one week then the next week the same product needs lots of checks and mountains of paperwork.

If Russia did that to our exports or Germany exports what would we say is about it?
 
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Redwurzel

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Mr Wurzel seems to think that because one particular electrical item can be imported easily everything else should be the same. The world does not work like that.
Mr Prisoner its called "Free Trade" and why should it not be the way forward? The default for trade should be to free trade in my opinion, its basic economics (David Ricardo). It increases the whole cake for everyone because nations concentrate on producing what they are specialists in and use that revenue to buy products from overseas that they are non specialist in. There will be some exceptions say when countries start subsidise local producers and so do not act fairly. Often political considerations intervere with free trade say when Governements subsidise their farmers and then even worse dump food at low prices in the world market they have bought at high prices in their own internal market.

For the UK SEM membership would give access without the disavantages (to some of us) of full EU social and political integration.
 
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r00fie1

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What actually is the problem with Boston?

Has the manufacturing left in which case what has it been replaced with or has there been nothing?

And if every government since Thatcher has been loosely following the same political policies then no wonder they gave up switching between Labour and Tories and voted for change when brexit came along.

We now have over 80% of the economy based on services. That tells you this goes back before brexit and right back to Thatcher then Blair and there should have been a plan outside London and the big cities

Starmer seems to be saying we need to train people up but for what? It looks like we've sold our industries and they've moved abroad a long time ago
There are people in Boston who genuinely despair.
Its got closed shops on the main drag, with lots of charity shops and bookies.
There is effectively nothing left in the town.
It was an inland port and there are remnants of that.
Its railways used to be the gateway to East Anglia and South Humberside, but now its railways are a branch on the Grantham - Skegness line, its transport infrastructure is pathetic and many youngsters move out, because there`s naff all there.
Up the road - eastwards is Firsby and Skeggy. The line to Mablethorpe and Grimsby long gone.
Westwards is Sleaford - which is slightly better off and used by people to commute from to Peterborough and Lincoln.
Lincoln is still thriving - with ex-RAF and civies working at the RAF bases.
The Lincolnshire Wolds are quite pretty, but there`s not much of them to talk about.
Louth is an old market town - but the population is ageing.
Bus services are crap and there`s nothing else.
The roads south of Lincoln and from Grantham across to Spalding are very poor.
What keeps the coast going is Skegness and Mablethorpe - with holiday makers from the East Midlands and Music Festivals like the Ska and Mod week-enders.
North Lincolnshire - that`s different altogether.



 

Redwurzel

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Roofie was Boston dependent on the health of the vegetable and to some extent fruit growing markets, say canning factories, haulage companies?

A big employer in Lincoln was Rushton Gas Turbines they must have employed several thousand, when I was there the University was just beginning. Higher education is a growth sector and to some extent has helped Middlesbrough to survive. In general though HE is a big city thing.

There has been a drift of jobs from many towns jobs to large cities such as closing local tax offices and moving them to large cities - the Middlesbrough Office shut and moved to Newcastle? Many banks have shut is small towns I think Guisborough had 5 Banks its now 1. Banking online, app and by phone now tends to be serviced from larger urban areas or even overseas. Myself I think soomething could be done by Government to help smaller struggling town through business rates, it might not solve the decline but reduce it. Same with Tax offices.
 
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m3t4tr0n

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Switches is a big market actually. C&K switches manufacture 55,000 different types some are very technical. Its a billion dollar company. These are not electrical light switches that Posters buy at B&Q..

What I find difficult to understand is why a product was perfectly fine to export one week then the next week the same product needs lots of checks and mountains of paperwork.

If Russia did that to our exports or Germany exports what would we say is about it?
Because we left the club, and lost those perks of membership. The product itself may well be technically fine, but that is not the point. They don't just (and never have) give those perks away, they come as part of packages that require membership or levels of conformity that we currently do not subscribe to.
 

r00fie1

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Roofie was Boston dependent on the health of the vegetable and to some extent fruit growing markets, say canning factories, haulage companies?

A big employer in Lincoln was Rushton Gas Turbines they must have employed several thousand, when I was there the University was just beginning. Higher education is a growth sector and to some extent has helped Middlesbrough to survive. In general though HE is a big city thing.

There has been a drift of jobs from many towns jobs to large cities such as closing local tax offices and moving them to large cities - the Middlesbrough Office shut and moved to Newcastle? Many banks have shut is small towns I think Guisborough had 5 Banks its now 1. Banking online, app and by phone now tends to be serviced from larger urban areas or even overseas. Myself I think soomething could be done by Government to help smaller struggling town through business rates, it might not solve the decline but reduce it. Same with Tax offices.
The wiki page is a good guide, although it needs updating: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston,_Lincolnshire
I had a mate from Boston who used to say he wished global warming would hurry up and put the town out of its misery (!). I think his "gallows humour"came from many hours stood on the Holgate. Also knew a lad from Horncastle who said if you wanted to find a partner [male or female] you had to be first to the pub on a Friday night! Certainly met plenty of Lincolnshire "Poachers" in other parts of the country.
 

NYboro

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Because we left the club, and lost those perks of membership. The product itself may well be technically fine, but that is not the point. They don't just (and never have) give those perks away, they come as part of packages that require membership or levels of conformity that we currently do not subscribe to.
You're wasting your time. He has been told multiple times and ignores it.
 

Redwurzel

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Tte EU is not more than a "club with perks". It's a collection of nation states in a politcal, social and economic union. That appears from the FT video to be currently using non tariff barriers to restrict trade.

I have a right to voice thoughts and hold discussions on international trade and I am responding in the main to the initial post of the F/T video.
 
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WeeGord

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Tte EU is not a "club with perks". It's a collecftion of nation states in a poliitcal, social and economic union.

Yes, its union and they have free trade within that union. External trade must go through additional checks and processes. What is difficult to understand about that?
 

Redwurzel

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Wee Gord thank you for your post- I am not disagreeing with you. For complex electrical switches from the USA it was 24 to 48 hours for the paperwork to be processed and checks made

From my earlier post -"I used to work for a electronic/electrical switcher distributor in the UK. Half of what they sold were CK Switches (one of the World's largest manufacturers og high quality switches). These switches were made in the USA. We then sold them to over 100 customers in the UK. I don't remember needing masses of importation paperwork and the transport took 48 hours from North Carolina to our UK warehouse. Some duty was paid but not excessively high rates. Thats why I am bit puzzled when I hear it takes 2 weeks and masses of paperwork to move something from say Dover to Calais."

Please watch the FT Video for what is currently happening for some UK exporters.

For example - How long should it take for a consignment of tea to be checked in your opinion?
 
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SmallTown

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Why is it so difficult to understand that leaving the EU involves all the extra paperwork? That was the choice that those who voted to leave made.
Poor Red is really really lost isn’t he? He can’t admit he was fooled and so expends so much energy trying to deflect. When the simple fact is his Brexit has failed. He knows it, he just won’t admit it
 

SmallTown

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Mr Wurzel seems to think that because one particular electrical item can be imported easily everything else should be the same. The world does not work like that.
He doesn’t though. He’s just trying to deflect from the failures of Brexit. And using ever desperate and more focused examples too. It’s actually quite sad
 

festa5

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I'll throw the cat amongst the pigeons... I've always been broadly in favour of further integrations with Europe. In principle, the concept of a 'United States of Europe' has never bothered me at all. Bring it on if you ask me. I've never been one for arbitrary lines drawn in the dirt long long ago. Until something major changes we all have to live on this same rock and share the same resources. We're stronger together. ✌️
Yup. I couldn't give a toss about "taking back control" because I don't trust the likely government of this country (the Tories) to wield that control in the interests of the majority and I don't trust the people of this country to punish them for it in elections.

The EU for me provided checks and balances against the fact we, as a country, have a tendency to go for a "turkeys voting for Christmas" approach to electing our leaders. I trust the EU more than I trust our own government or our "little Englander" pensioners who tend to have the biggest say in who our government is.

And what do you know, the Tories are now burning all EU legislation, regardless of whether it makes sense or not.

Seemed blindingly obvious to me ***** like Jacob Rees-Mogg would be desperate to do this. Surprised super intelligent people like indeedido didn't see it coming. Or maybe he did and just didn't give a ****.
 

indeedido

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Surprised super intelligent people like indeedido didn't see it coming. Or maybe he did and just didn't give a ****.
Not sure there is a need for the sarcasm festa5?
I've expressed my views on this thread and others. There is no point in going round in circles.
I did not want or expect we would end with a Brexit like we have.
I don't think we will be long before there is significant economic convergence.
I did think there would be economic disruption, but SM retention would not have led to anything like what we currently endure.
I can assure you that I do give a **** about the hardship currently experienced, but I sadly doubt I can convince you about that.
 

Centralscrutinizer

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Not sure there is a need for the sarcasm festa5?
I've expressed my views on this thread and others. There is no point in going round in circles.
I did not want or expect we would end with a Brexit like we have.
I don't think we will be long before there is significant economic convergence.
I did think there would be economic disruption, but SM retention would not have led to anything like what we currently endure.
I can assure you that I do give a **** about the hardship currently experienced, but I sadly doubt I can convince you about that.
Not long until significant economic convergence, what's your predicted time frame ?
 
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