1finny
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No one is saying anything is ‘the same’
What some are saying is both teams have players who will be unsporting - which is the context of the Bairstow issue
It seems the vast majority think we are the sporting elite tho
The Ashes - TEST 2
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No one is saying anything is ‘the same’
What some are saying is both teams have players who will be unsporting - which is the context of the Bairstow issue
It seems the vast majority think we are the sporting elite tho
h_m_boro
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Remember when I was playing junior U18s cricket and one of my teammates stopped his bowling action to "run out" the batsman who had backed up too far down the wicket.
Our coach/umpire gave a not out and after the game gave us all a complete bollocking, warned us NEVER to do this again etc. Lad who did it got a few further bollockings from first team / committee members.
Yesterday, was the ball dead - grey area - but the whole manner of the incident left a bad taste. Have some very dislikeable characters this Aussie team, and will be remembered not for being great cricketers but for being cheating unsporting c*nts.
Headingley will be a bit spicy Thursday - and hope it is.
Our coach/umpire gave a not out and after the game gave us all a complete bollocking, warned us NEVER to do this again etc. Lad who did it got a few further bollockings from first team / committee members.
Yesterday, was the ball dead - grey area - but the whole manner of the incident left a bad taste. Have some very dislikeable characters this Aussie team, and will be remembered not for being great cricketers but for being cheating unsporting c*nts.
Headingley will be a bit spicy Thursday - and hope it is.
Linny
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It’s rare you see a batsman walk when they know they have edged it. They stand their ground and take their chances.
I don’t think we are comparing apples with apples there.
festa5
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MolteniArcore
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I think that’s a more recent thing, I’m sure they used to walk.
Fundamentally some England fans are crying about the Bairstow dismissal when they should be looking at how we have been playing, which is dubious. We have been throwing away our wickets. Anderson needs dropping. We have been too arrogant in the media.
We are playing the best side in the world though so am I surprised we are losing? Not really. But we’d be a little bit closer if we weren’t making silly decisions.
The Card Cheat
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That's frankly pathetic from that twitter bloke. The very very obvious difference that some people seem desperate to ignore, is the fact the ball in this clip was still very much live. Same with the De Grandhomme one they used on Sky. Deliberately ignoring the most important fact in Bairstows case, that to all intents and purposes the ball was dead and it was the end of the over.
It’s time to forget about this incident and prepare to be smarter in the next Test.
Lose this one and the Ashes are gone.
There will be no Lyon ,the crowd will be well ramped up and I dearly hope we will have learnt something from the first two Tests.
I will be there Thursday and Friday and I can’t wait.
Lose this one and the Ashes are gone.
There will be no Lyon ,the crowd will be well ramped up and I dearly hope we will have learnt something from the first two Tests.
I will be there Thursday and Friday and I can’t wait.
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Labuschagne is out of his crease when the ball is bowled trying to get as close to it to nullify any movement so Bairstow is not breaking the spirit of the game by throwing the ball while Bairstow back foot is behind the line in his stance and never go out of the crease until he thinks the ball is dead.
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Glover_elbow
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Bring an a4 piece of sand paper write in large letters on the back CHEAT fold it into a paper areoplane and fire it at Pat Cummins black eye
DanBoro4499
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We really do need to replace Crawley in my opinion, he's had so many chances.
Problem is, who with? I don't like the idea of moving somebody up the order - are there any openers knocking on the door?
Pope needs to get his act together too.
Problem is, who with? I don't like the idea of moving somebody up the order - are there any openers knocking on the door?
Pope needs to get his act together too.
Nero
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I've not read through this mammoth thread, but I suspect lots of conversation on the incident with Carey. It was a sneaky move that would infuriate the players and understandably so. I don't think it was the reason the match was lost, but it has certainly left a bitter taste. Australia are a good team and don't need to revert to that type of bad sportsmanship. Getting booed at Lords, of all places, shows how much in bad taste it was.
ForssAwakens
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He won’t be replaced his had 2 innings with scores so why would England be inclined to drop him?
I would replace him though
Andy_W
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Same, I don't think players should walk.
They don't get to stand there and not walk, when they get given out after not edging it, so why should it be the other way?
The other vids are no a like for like comparison either. Being stumped falling out of your crease after trying to play a shot, or even trying to steal a run are a million miles from ducking, letting the ball go through to the keeper and going to chat to your mate at the end of the over.
DanBoro4499
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Yea i get what you're saying, but he hasn't even made the list below in some good batting conditions so rather pitiful really isnt it?
Glover_elbow
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Agreed they would have won regardless so Pat Cummins missed a golden opportunity to improve the reputation of australian cricket a really short sighted perspective from him. It didn't even come into to his consciousness such is the deep rooted mentailty to cheat and win at all costs in that australian side its rotten to the core.
Andy_W
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Totally different.
1. He didn't hit the stumps
2. Even if he did hit the stumps they might not have appealed
3. Wasn't the end of the over, the guy wasn't just going to walk to chat to his mate/ pat the pitch down
4. Aussie didn't even ground his bat
5. Aussie bloke was playing on the edge of his crease
I think people trying to dig out these video's is just people who know they've done wrong, so are trying to drag everyone else down.
Everyone knows Bairstow wasn't playing a shot, wasn't playing on the edge of his crease, wasn't going for a run, was not in any danger of being a normal stumping and it was end of over etc.
Bairstowe might be out as the law says it, but the second the ball hits the keepers gloves at the end of the over, and he grounds his bat or feet, before walking out it's a dead ball to me. What they did just wasn't cricket.
h_m_boro
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What Bairstow did there was what good WKs do every game trying to stump batsmen who may be fractionally out of the crease. No problems.
Yesterday Bairstow assumed the ball was dead so started to walk down the crease. "In the spirit of the game" (lost on the Aussies, cheating gets) should have been warned, then stumped if he did it again. This is the contentious bit.
Bad enough the moaning over Starcs catch, but just shows the Aussie team to be classless.
Norman_Conquest
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Carey joins the list of Aussie cricketers with an asterisk next to their name and will be remembered by fans for that incident and not what he’s good at.
Smith is one of the world’s best cricketers in the world but is remembered for cheating. It is hard to discuss him without mentioning that incident. Carey is going to be the same.
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They said they would keep the same squad for the second Test, swapping Ali was unavoidable.
Surely we will now see some changes though.
Jimmy is fading fast and I hope Wood is now fit enough.
Tongue has probably done enough to keep his place.
God knows about spinners…..
Foakes could come in.
I don’t think Crawley will be dropped though, as popular as this would be.