But Alvez you would claim that shielding doesn't work, wouldn't you? That being the case why would you even give them the choice of funded shielding. I don't understand your stance on this given your belief about the ineffective lockdowns
That's the underlying theme on this board.It's about choice you don't want people to have the choice, that's on you not me.
Not really Alvez. I seem to recall you asking for everyone to carry on as normal and shielding the vulnerable. That was an argument you used against another lockdown. But you also say locking down has no effect whatsoever, so why do you suggest shielding the vulnerable? Surely you believe it has no effect, in fact you would have to believe it has no effect.It's about choice you don't want people to have the choice, that's on you not me.
Not really Alvez. I seem to recall you asking for everyone to carry on as normal and shielding the vulnerable. That was an argument you used against another lockdown. But you also say locking down has no effect whatsoever, so why do you suggest shielding the vulnerable? Surely you believe it has no effect, in fact you would have to believe it has no effect.
No but you are hiding a flaw in your lockdown argument behind semantics which I find interesting.I suggest giving them the option of shielding and if they do funding that shielding.
It doesn't matter if I think it works or not the net effect would be to give those people the power of self determination which gives them the CHOICE to do what they think is best for them.
You don't want people to have a choice, it is you who agrees with removing people's right to worship, right to assembly, right to work, right to see friends and family. I'm not the one with radical proposals.
How is he?No but you are hiding a flaw in your lockdown argument behind semantics which I find interesting.
What? Not sure what point you are addressing Randy, certainly not the quoted comment.How is he?
What part of the word choice do you not get?
If people feel that it isn't safe to carry on with life as we all did before 2020 then provide funding for them to stay at home for a X amount of time.
Those who choose to not stay at home are able to go to work as normal, socialize with those who they choose to socialize with who aren't staying at home, play sports as normal etc.
It's a loose comparison but I know the dangers of driving a car in poor weather. It's my choice as to if I make that journey in the car or not knowing the risks involved.
I thought everybody was vulnerable to the virus? Or has that narrative changed recently?Shielding is not a personal choice, not to sure how many times this has to be explained.
If lockdown doesn't work, why bother with advocating a personal lockdown?
From my point of view, all you two are doing is placing all responsibility on to those who are vulnerable to the virus, if they decide not to shield catch the virus and die, it just their fault right?
We all share a collective responsibility in combating this awful virus, unfortunately some believe this shouldn't be the case, which ironically is part of the reason we are in the current situation.
Likening this choice to driving is ludicrous.
I thought everybody was vulnerable to the virus? Or has that narrative changed recently?
Why would it be somebody's fault if they caught the virus and died? How do you pin the blame on someone for that?
You didn't answer the question.Being deliberately obtuse is not a great look.
You know exactly what I meant.
*shakes head in disbelief*As of 9am on 17 November, 1,410,732 people have tested positive for COVID-19 in the UK.
Positive cases were 20,051.
598 deaths were reported today.
63,873 deaths with Covid-19 on the death certificate.
Cases marginally dropping. Did you expect deaths to drop this early into a lockdown?Lockdown working well I see... The stupid people's faults though if only they were like us saintly folk on fmttm.