Tesla exposed

I've been in a few where I am, some better than others, but the simple ones are lovely modern cars and smooth to drive around in.
 
You're right though the car is very good at calculating charging time, down to the minute. If you're using a supercharger. Especially as it pre heats the battery so it can take more juice. I got 238KWh from a v³ on Sunday. I didn't have time to go for a coffee and comfort break before I had enough juice to continue!
240kW or even the newer 350kW is where it's at like, looking forward to at least that it in my next one, probably a Macan EV in 2022/23.
But to be fair I've had zero issues with 100kW putting me out, or being any sort of hardship, and certainly, less of my life is wasted with a 100kW car than an ICE, but only EV drivers seem to understand this in full. Most ICE drivers don't quite grasp that 95% of charging is done when you're asleep, and they think they will be charging for 2 hours on their 30 mile commute, it's pure fiction.

The main thing I'm waiting for is once we get to 240kW, 350kW or 500kW filtering down to cheaper cars, then even the most hardened anti-Ev will have little arguments, it should convert miles more people over and increase the infrastructure then it will pretty much go exponential.
 
240kW or even the newer 350kW is where it's at like, looking forward to at least that it in my next one, probably a Macan EV in 2022/23.
But to be fair I've had zero issues with 100kW putting me out, or being any sort of hardship, and certainly, less of my life is wasted with a 100kW car than an ICE, but only EV drivers seem to understand this in full. Most ICE drivers don't quite grasp that 95% of charging is done when you're asleep, and they think they will be charging for 2 hours on their 30 mile commute, it's pure fiction.

The main thing I'm waiting for is once we get to 240kW, 350kW or 500kW filtering down to cheaper cars, then even the most hardened anti-Ev will have little arguments, it should convert miles more people over and increase the infrastructure then it will pretty much go exponential.
Yeah. You'll still have the same arguments. Some people will resist modern technology for ever and so "BUT THE RANGE, THE RAAAAAANGE" constantly. You're correct though. Once the really fast chargers become the norm that particular argument will he even more futile than it is now. The etrons and Taycans of this world can charge up mega quick. As you say it won't be long before that trickles down.

To be fair to some anti EVers it's the change people struggle with. It IS a different way of refuelling. But only for long trips. Must people need to grasp that for short trips you simply don't refuel, ever. You just get in with enough fuel for the day, every day
 
See quite a lot of Model 3's, and a few E-Trons, it's hard to differentiate the others, but certainly a lot more common now
When I lasted visited I saw a few ipace, an e308 and quite a few Tesla above my own. Surprised at the lack of leafs and zoes I must admit. They would be ideal cars for getting around Teesside and trips to the moors.
 
Yeah. You'll still have the same arguments. Some people will resist modern technology for ever and so "BUT THE RANGE, THE RAAAAAANGE" constantly. You're correct though. Once the really fast chargers become the norm that particular argument will he even more futile than it is now. The etrons and Taycans of this world can charge up mega quick. As you say it won't be long before that trickles down.

To be fair to some anti EVers it's the change people struggle with. It IS a different way of refuelling. But only for long trips. Must people need to grasp that for short trips you simply don't refuel, ever. You just get in with enough fuel for the day, every day

Yeah, the range argument is weird, it seems like there are a lot of people who commute 200 miles there and then 200 miles back every day, doing 100k miles per year. Or lots of people who never have to fill up with petrol, or eat, or drink or take a pi$$, or think that the time allocated to those don't count in an ICE, yet charging does in an EV (which is done at the same/ similar time as petrol/ eating/ comfort breaks etc). I don't get it but sometimes people need to see it/ do it before they believe it I suppose.

I don't think Tesla helped in this respect mind, by going on about the range so much, but I suppose they had to do that to make it possible with little infrastructure.
The focus will change quickly now though, now there's enough infrastructure for an EV with pretty much any range. Now they need to focus on smaller batteries, faster charging and more miles per kw, that's where EV is heading, previous generations solved the problem with bigger batteries but this is just pointless weight when you can charge at 350kW.

A car with a 30kW battery, doing 5 m per kW will have a 150m range and charge at 500kw/h, that's where it's heading and it won't be long at all. A 5 minute charge doing 150 miles, it's nailed on for taxis and 90% of road users. Can basically do a 300 mile drive with a 5 minute stop, which anyone can handle.
Should have no more weight than an ICE car either, so should handle well, as well as being a drag racer.
 
Yeah the range thing is odd when you start learning about EVs. No one thinks about engage with ICE vehicles. I had a Mini Cooper s back in the day. It had a tiny fuel tank and was pretty thirsty. Not once did I think "Blimey I can't get a car with such a small range"
 
Our next car will be a hybrid for sure.
Once we've moved house in a few years and I've got a garage I'll be adding a project car to it which will definitely be petrol though.
 
The irony of people buying and leasing new vehicles every few years and claiming they are good for the environment 😆
The irony of someone starting a thread, being totally debunked so just changing the angle of attack. All because he has a irrational dislike of something. You've made yourself look very small here
 
Our next car will be a hybrid for sure.
Once we've moved house in a few years and I've got a garage I'll be adding a project car to it which will definitely be petrol though.
Can't go wrong with a little side project, even better if it's something that won't depreciate and most don't (much).
 
The irony of people buying and leasing new vehicles every few years and claiming they are good for the environment 😆
The irony of thinking owning 1 inefficient car for 10 years is better environmentally for the individual than owning more efficient/ greener cars every few years. Could also say the same about those with petrol cars, but I expect those buying EV's will likely keep them a longer duration than average.

Also, you do realise other people get the "few years old" car, that gets sold? It doesn't just get tipped into the sea. For each new car buyer selling a 3 year old car, there's some other guy buying it and getting rid of his lesser quality/ worse for the environment car, or enabling him to actually buy a car at all. The car at the bottom of the chain is normally a banger, which gets broken for parts and then scrapped/ recycled (for the good of the environment).

If nobody bought new cars we would all be driving 30-year-old 2.5 ltr tanks, with terrible emissions, doing 20 mpg, which aren't as safe, and which fall apart every 10 mins. If nobody swapped a car for 10 years the only option would be a new car, or a 10-year-old car, which seems a bit $hit for a lot of people.

Anyway, I didn't even buy my EV because it was "green", that wasn't even in my top 5 priorities to be honest, but it is very welcome. I basically just bought it as it's better, more convenient and more time/cost-effective. Anyone buying an EV is providing a second-hand car opportunity to some reluctant gas-guzzler later down the line (y)
 
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I'm sensing a bit of green eyed monster here ;)
I always get that impression with old Gentface. It's not the first time he's tried to debunk what he thinks are premium cars. Probably jealousy

Still in debunking him it's actually opened up some good debate.

I love a bit of EV chat
 
I always get that impression with old Gentface. It's not the first time he's tried to debunk what he thinks are premium cars. Probably jealousy

Still in debunking him it's actually opened up some good debate.

I love a bit of EV chat
It's a new world for me, installed a Zappi on Friday and picking up my 3LR a week tomorrow :D

I'm sure it'll take me a couple of long trips to get past the whole range anxiety thing, but I haven't been this excited about a new car for 20 years.
 
I'm torn on this, I was always of the opinion that I was doing better by maintaining my older car rather than forking out for a new one and the carbon cost associated with it. Turns out I was wrong.


However, I am lucky if I do 3000 miles a year, so I'm offsetting that to some degree. I can see the benefits of an EV, but as a buyer right now, I find them too bland and a bit of a one trick pony (speed). I've driven a couple of Tesla's and an iPace (lovely interior) and I wasn't overly enamoured with them. I do think EV's are the stopgap until we resolve hydrogen containment. Having to mine all those rare earth minerals for EV's among other things does damage to the landscape and that has to be considered alongside the CO2 emissions of production.
 
Wow, that guy really is a clown, with some sort of agenda.

Electric does come out of thin air, via wind, if you want it to, and you can add solar to that too I suppose. America will start to understand this soon, hopefully. Again the USA is the problem (and it's people, like this guy), not the car/ tech.

Snow brought the Texas grid down, not Telsa.
It doesn't snow often in Texas.
Elon Musk recently moved to Texas.
Who relies on their car as their sole heat source?
A 100kW battery can power a 0.5kW heater (big enough to keep a car warm) for 200 hours, when was the grid last down for 8 days?

Gave up after that, his whiny voice is more annoying than his agenda.
 
There’s no one solution which will lead us into a better place in terms of the environment— not least the whole stigma on EV. The pace of demand for progress both in technology and non-technologies make us far more vulnerable as a society due in part or the constant rhetoric by governments and the marketing arms of these EV companies. The claims by governments to be carbon neutral by 2040 or whatever is IMO somewhat far-fetched. In California (and across to US) for instance they still run diesel trains and don’t plan to replace them so what is the real agenda here? I mean the whole stigma on EV is basically down to getting people to use more electricity perhaps? Ok in certain locations we could just plug the vehicle into a solar panel and charge but of course many don’t have that luxury so it would be like taking from Peter to rob Paul if you plug into the grid to recharge. There’s a long way to go but if we think that our reliance on fossil fuels will be over in 10 years think again.
 
It's a new world for me, installed a Zappi on Friday and picking up my 3LR a week tomorrow :D

I'm sure it'll take me a couple of long trips to get past the whole range anxiety thing, but I haven't been this excited about a new car for 20 years.
It doesn't take long at all. I'm a bit of a geek so I love planning the long trips. My missus just jumps in and charges when the nav tells her to!!

Be prepared for lots of admiring glances. I have a couple of funny sentry mode videos of people admiring the car
 
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