Tesla exposed

ThePrisoner

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Presentation is cringy but the content is valid. Electric cars will do little to save the planet. Only a massive reduction in population will.
 

SmallTown

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Presentation is cringy but the content is valid. Electric cars will do little to save the planet. Only a massive reduction in population will.
That's simply not true. The latter part yes, will be the end goal but EVs are definitely a step along the path to reducing the damage we are doing to the environment.
 

ThePrisoner

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That's simply not true. The latter part yes, will be the end goal but EVs are definitely a step along the path to reducing the damage we are doing to the environment.
It is true. Electric cars will have a marginal impact. Even if/when most of the electricity to power them is from non-fossil sources the pollution and resource depletion from manufacturing the cars can't be avoided. Only solution is a lot fewer people using a lot less stuff.
 

Nobby_Barnes

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That's simply not true. The latter part yes, will be the end goal but EVs are definitely a step along the path to reducing the damage we are doing to the environment.
You're quite simply wrong...EV drivers are damaging our environment even more !

The cycle of making a car starts with raw materials being extracted, refined, transported and manufactured into several components that will be assembled to produce the car itself. This process is very much the same in both conventional and electric cars. Nevertheless, at the end of the manufacturing process, electric cars are the ones generating more carbon emissions, according to the Union of Concerned Scientists.

Why is this? Because electric cars store energy in large batteries (the larger they are, the bigger their range is) that have high environmental costs. This happens because these batteries are made of rare earth elements (REE) like lithium, nickel, cobalt or graphite that only exist beneath the surface of the Earth and therefore depend on mining activities with very polluting processes.
 

BoroMart

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Wow, so much to pick apart.

- Americas issue with dirty electricity is not a slur on the Teslas credentials, it's a slur on idiots like Trump and his backers who had money in that industry.

- Talk about how recyclable Tesla batteries are is moot. There is no wide scale ability to recover the lithium, because not enough cars are reaching end of life to make recycling financially viable. Plus new batteries for future teslas are easier to recycle and with the number of electric cars increasing, recycling for all batteries will vastly improve.

- A report from germany home of BMW, VW, Audi and Mercedes says that Tesla batteries are not ecological......wonder who paid for that 'study'?

- Carbon credits. If that's what is required, short term, to allow the improvement of EV technology, then so be it. The R&D costs on electric vehicles is huge. I consider Tesla selling these credits to GM, Chrysler, BMW etc as a tax on the motor industry to underpin the R&D for electric. Those costs get passed on to consumers of combustion engine vehicles, increasing costs, which is good.

The size of a battery doesn't dictate how fast a car goes, it dictates how far it goes. It makes it practical, and useful.

Tesla batteries are designed for a minimum of 300k km.

This guy has a couple of interesting points, but he's also a bit of an idiot.
 

SmallTown

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You're quite simply wrong...EV drivers are damaging our environment even more !

The cycle of making a car starts with raw materials being extracted, refined, transported and manufactured into several components that will be assembled to produce the car itself. This process is very much the same in both conventional and electric cars. Nevertheless, at the end of the manufacturing process, electric cars are the ones generating more carbon emissions, according to the Union of Concerned Scientists.

Why is this? Because electric cars store energy in large batteries (the larger they are, the bigger their range is) that have high environmental costs. This happens because these batteries are made of rare earth elements (REE) like lithium, nickel, cobalt or graphite that only exist beneath the surface of the Earth and therefore depend on mining activities with very polluting processes.
You probably should do more research
 

JustTheGent

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This guy makes good content and if you ever tune into his live Q&As, he's extremely knowledgeable and experienced. He's basically passing on his 50+ years experience as a mechanic and keeps up to speed with the latest advancements and technology. It's notable that car manufacturers who have tried to link up with him never invite him back a second time because he asks the wrong questions and pulls no punches when giving his opinions.

If you're buying a car it's worth listening to his advice. It's no secret that he says that BMW, Mercedes, Audi and Land Rover are some of the worst quality vehicles he's worked on. They can start to fall apart after a relatively short period of time and mileage. People who own and like these brands obviously tend to react to him in a negative way. A few weeks ago he exposed how Tesla don't often even have their own workforce to build cars. They bring in contractors at a much cheaper labour cost.
 

SmallTown

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This guy makes good content and if you ever tune into his live Q&As, he's extremely knowledgeable and experienced. He's basically passing on his 50+ years experience as a mechanic and keeps up to speed with the latest advancements and technology. It's notable that car manufacturers who have tried to link up with him never invite him back a second time because he asks the wrong questions and pulls no punches when giving his opinions.

If you're buying a car it's worth listening to his advice. It's no secret that he says that BMW, Mercedes, Audi and Land Rover are some of the worst quality vehicles he's worked on. They can start to fall apart after a relatively short period of time and mileage. People who own and like these brands obviously tend to react to him in a negative way. A few weeks ago he exposed how Tesla don't often even have their own workforce to build cars. They bring in contractors at a much cheaper labour cost.
They probably react in a negative way through experience. I've owned a couple of Mercedes and they have been far and away better quality than any other car. By some distance. Some people do enjoy bashing the premium brands. I often wonder why
 

BoroMart

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A few weeks ago he exposed how Tesla don't often even have their own workforce to build cars. They bring in contractors at a much cheaper labour cost.
contractors don't tend to be cheaper in any industry, so I'd question the veracity of a comment like that, and therefore the allusion he is attempting to make from it.
 

SmallTown

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contractors don't tend to be cheaper in any industry, so I'd question the veracity of a comment like that, and therefore the allusion he is attempting to make from it.
Good point. Although at this point I should declare you can't in any way consider Tesla a premium brand. Some do because of their cost but that's wrong and to not understand what premium means.

Its about build quality, quality of materials used in construction and overall feel of the car. As much as I enjoy my Tesla it is badly lacking in the first, pretty poor in the second and ok in the third, with the build quality detracting from a surprisingly good driving experience.

A Mercedes on the other road, I just couldn't fault. Apart from poor customer service. The actual products themselves give you the feel of something we'll built and made from good materials.
 

BoroMart

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Pick mine up soon, I'll let you know how the new 2021s build quality is. They're apparently improving all the time.

I guess you trade that build and material quality, for technology, service, and of course as a company car they're far far cheaper
 

Corcaigh_the_Cat

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Good point. Although at this point I should declare you can't in any way consider Tesla a premium brand. Some do because of their cost but that's wrong and to not understand what premium means.

Its about build quality, quality of materials used in construction and overall feel of the car. As much as I enjoy my Tesla it is badly lacking in the first, pretty poor in the second and ok in the third, with the build quality detracting from a surprisingly good driving experience.

A Mercedes on the other road, I just couldn't fault. Apart from poor customer service. The actual products themselves give you the feel of something we'll built and made from good materials.
My previous car to the Honda I have now was a Merc, I feel as if I've got a far better vehicle now.
 

Billy69_uk

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electric cars and busses for that matter are a very local solution to a global problem.

Yes, having electric vehicles in a city will improve air quality in that city, that is beyond question. Less hydrocarbons, less NOx, less pollutants.

BUT, unless you electricity is 100% generated by renewable means, you are just exporting your emissions to a different place.

and lest not talk about the mining methods to extract all those precious metals and chemicals like cobalt, nickel, copper, lithium etc that are used in batteries and electric motors etc. That's someone elses problem.
 
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