Support for Scottish Independence hits 58%

Nero

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Scotland effectively has independence already. The SNP manages to blame London for their failures. Everything accept defence and the treasury is ran and organised in Edinburgh.
 

Statto1

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Scotland effectively has independence already. The SNP manages to blame London for their failures. Everything accept defence and the treasury is ran and organised in Edinburgh.

Leaving the EU wasn't organised in Edinburgh, it wasn't even voted for in London, it was voted for by the rest of England. If this wasn't the case they would still be in the EU and would be much less likely wafting to leave the UK.

So, seeing as the crucial point in them wanting to leave is not to do with defence and treasury, then they don't really have independence do they?
 

Nero

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Leaving the EU wasn't organised in Edinburgh, it wasn't even voted for in London, it was voted for by the rest of England. If this wasn't the case they would still be in the EU and would be much less likely wafting to leave the UK.

So, seeing as the crucial point in them wanting to leave is not to do with defence and treasury, then they don't really have independence do they?

The EU referendum was a UK wide vote unfortunately for the Scots. Northern Ireland and Gibraltar also didn't want to leave but haven't kicked up a fuss.

The EU things is a convenient tool for the SNP. Besides, I use to work with loads of Scottish and a fair few of them voted leave. There was also quite a few who strategically vote remain. Knowing a remain vote would give them another shot at independence.
 

Statto1

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Unfortunate doesn't quite cut it, by saying "unfortunate for the scots" you're basically agreeing they don't have independence, as they have to go on UK (England) seat majority rule, of which is something is impossible for them to win as the SNP. It's impossible to ever have as much control over their country as they would like, which isn't right, which I'm sure anyone would agree on.

Before, there was economic benefit, of being part of the UK as part of the EU. But now why would they want to be part of a sinking ship and outside the EU? It's risking everything to gain what? There's no demonstrable gain, so they only have a lot to lose. The equity in this situation is extremely bad for them.

Northern Ireland have their own problems with this extra border that they don't want. They would much rather stay in the single market and customs union.

Gibraltar isn't even worth discussing, it's just not comparable to Scotland, but just because you don't read a lot in the news, don't thin they're happy. 95% of them voted remain.
 

Juninho10

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Leaving the EU wasn't organised in Edinburgh, it wasn't even voted for in London, it was voted for by the rest of England. If this wasn't the case they would still be in the EU and would be much less likely wafting to leave the UK.

So, seeing as the crucial point in them wanting to leave is not to do with defence and treasury, then they don't really have independence do they?
Are we going to forget about the 1,018,322 MILLION Scottish votes who voted to leave the EU - the SNP have certainly forgot about them? .... 1.6m voted to remain - so it's not exactly as clear cut as you are trying to portray
 

bear66

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Are we going to forget about the 1,018,322 MILLION Scottish votes who voted to leave the EU - the SNP have certainly forgot about them? .... 1.6m voted to remain - so it's not exactly as clear cut as you are trying to portray
They'll realise what a mistake they mafe now and independence is their way back to normality.
 

Statto1

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Are we going to forget about the 1,018,322 MILLION Scottish votes who voted to leave the EU - the SNP have certainly forgot about them? .... 1.6m voted to remain - so it's not exactly as clear cut as you are trying to portray

Well it is, isn't it, that's 61% wanting to remain, and it's probably gone up since then.

We had less than 20% of voters wanting "no deal" before the referendum, and that apparently seems enough for a "no deal" now, so why shouldn't 60% be enough for Scotland wanting to remain?

I thought leavers ideas of leaving the EU was meant to be about being able to make their own decisions (so let Scotland make them), not having rules enforced by unelected bureaucrats (in the house of lords, from the London lot) and putting up boarders all over the place?

How many of those 1m leavers wanted a no deal? Less than 40% of leavers wanted no deal for the rest of the UK, so 400k?
400k out of 2.6m wanting to leave with no deal, so 15% are getting what they want basically. You think they're going to be alright with that?
You think they're going to be happy with how England has put a border in Ireland or the Irish Sea?
Do you think the Scottish will expect us to treat them well, after a no deal, after doing that to Ireland?

You're deluded.
 

Statto1

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Go further North and you will find quite a few who want out.

North of Aberdeen? :LOL::LOL:
What population of Scottish people in Scotland live north of Aberdeen? <5%?:rolleyes:

There was only one area that even got close to voting leave and that was the area which contains Lossiemouth and Kinloss, one a major current RAF base and the other which recently closed, so will obviously have a $hit load of English (who wouldn't get a vote on independence).
 

Juninho10

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There was only one area that even got close to voting leave and that was the area which contains Lossiemouth and Kinloss.

Talking rubbish again - alot of these are pretty close....


>> ABERDEENSHIRE

Remain: 76,445
Leave: 62,516


>> SHETLAND ISLANDS

Remain: 6,907
Leave: 5,315


>> EILEAN SIAR

Remain: 8,232
Leave: 6,671


>> MORAY

Remain: 24,114
Leave: 23.992


>> DUMFRIES & GALLOWAY

Remain: 43,864
Leave: 38,803



>> ANGUS

Remain: 32,747
Leave: 26,511
 

bear66

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Talking rubbish again - alot of these are pretty close....


>> ABERDEENSHIRE

Remain: 76,445
Leave: 62,516


>> SHETLAND ISLANDS

Remain: 6,907
Leave: 5,315


>> EILEAN SIAR

Remain: 8,232
Leave: 6,671


>> MORAY

Remain: 24,114
Leave: 23.992


>> DUMFRIES & GALLOWAY

Remain: 43,864
Leave: 38,803



>> ANGUS

Remain: 32,747
Leave: 26,511
None even close. Certainly as 52:48 was "the people have spoken".
 

Juninho10

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None even close. Certainly as 52:48 was "the people have spoken".
Yeah I know.... only 1.3 Million more people voted to leave than stay across the UK - don't bring out the percentages to try and portray it was a close thing

There was a difference of 1.9 MILLION VOTES in England and 1.3 MILLION across the UK

Typical remainers always on the losing side :LOL::ROFLMAO:(y)
 

Nero

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North of Aberdeen? :LOL::LOL:
What population of Scottish people in Scotland live north of Aberdeen? <5%?:rolleyes:

There was only one area that even got close to voting leave and that was the area which contains Lossiemouth and Kinloss, one a major current RAF base and the other which recently closed, so will obviously have a $hit load of English (who wouldn't get a vote on independence).

**** loads of English? Have you actually spent any time in Aberdeenshire? There's loads of English in the whole area.
 

Statto1

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**** loads of English? Have you actually spent any time in Aberdeenshire? There's loads of English in the whole area.

Yeah, been a few times on pipeline related works and enquiries, there's loads of English related to the offshore work and oil and gas, I never said there wasn't.
As for Lossie and Kinloss, I've been to both and nearly got posted up there (but I rejected it).
 
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Statto1

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Yeah I know.... only 1.3 Million more people voted to leave than stay across the UK - don't bring out the percentages to try and portray it was a close thing

There was a difference of 1.9 MILLION VOTES in England and 1.3 MILLION across the UK

Typical remainers always on the losing side :LOL::ROFLMAO:(y)

The majority of the English do too (y)(y)

Wow, you really are showing your true colours, acting like a child.

52/48 is a closer vote than 60/40 by the way. The actual numerical figure means little, it's easier to sway 2% than 10%. Just like the trade deficit that you leavers like to bang on about. We're risking 50% of our trade, the EU is risking 5% of theirs, you really still think that's a deficit that has any meaning?
Would you rather have £10m and lose 50% or have £100m and lose 5%?

I'm not on the losing side, btw, it doesn't really have much personal or financial effect on me which side "won" or "lost", either way I'm still a top 0.5% earner for our area and I'm a lot less likely to suffer more than most. I'm not selfish though, I was more bothered about our area, the North East, "losing", of which is statistically been shown to be at risk of losing the most. That was my point. The whole of Teesside/ the North East is going to lose, big time, even the Tory leave report showed that.

I doubt the majority of English would want rid of Scotland, but equally wouldn't be surprised if it was the case, as England has a lot of idiots. Maybe the majority of English should realise Scotland brings more to the table than the North East of England, and those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
 
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