Suella Braverman

Cameron started the rot with his ridiculous decision to call a referendum on EU membership.

May had a chance to slap down the ERG and their like but made the mistake of trying to appease them and compromise. That was never going to work, they're ideological lunatics.

Then Boris came, kicked out the more sensible "moderate" MPs and now the party has too many of them to govern effectively.

Talk about labour being split, but the Tories are essentially 2 parties now. One being UKIP by stealth and the other made up of centrists, but the more unprincipled ones who'll happily compromise any values they might have in exchange for power.

As much as I despaired at anyone voting Tory last time (thought it was blindingly obvious the type of creature Johnson was) I don't think many voted for this.
 
Any credibility that Sunak may have had was dashed the moment he reappointed Braverman as Home Secretary, like Truss her position in government is way beyond her capabilities, unlike Truss whose air was one of bewilderment and doll eyed wonder when questioned, Braverman goes on the attack, however she's not adroit enough to not continually trip herself up and show her incompetence.

Any defender of the abhorrent policies that she espouses is lacking in the basics of empathy and understanding, there is no legal route to claim asylum remotely in the UK unless you're Ukrainian, it's this policy which is driving the boat crossings and could be easily remedied if there was a will, a simple policy to allow asylum application from outside the UK that would remove the need for traffickers and thousands risking their lives.

I don't think Braverman will last long as Home Sec, she's too confrontational and is always just an interview away from disaster, she'll slip up again and again until she makes her position untenable, she lies and contradicts herself all the time, traits that will ultimately lead to her demise and hopefully her disappearance from front line politics.
 
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Some of the stuff I’ve read this morning in response to her comments yesterday is truly depressing.

Why are the BBC giving Nigel Farage a platform to speak on this subject? Why is the political editor of The S*n allowed to suggest ‘she was saying what a lot of people agree with’ unchallenged?

I remember watching a show called Years and Years, which has practically predicted all of this. Here’s hoping life imitates the ending as well.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1587034383122370562
 
go-nads! said:
This says all you need to know about the Tory's and their right wing sympathies

www.theguardian.com

Britain’s most racist election: the story of Smethwick, 50 years on

Stuart Jeffries: In 1964, the West Midlands constituency of Smethwick was the most colour-conscious place in the country, and the scene of a Tory campaign that successfully exploited anti-immigrant sentiment
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It never went away and it never will.
When there is social unrest.
A cost of living crisis.
When people either heat or eat.
Savage cuts to essential public services.
Private companies ripping off the NHS.
People waiting for hospital treatment.
The biggest housing crisis since the second world war.
Children going to school hungry.
The super rich getting richer.

Pull out the "Race" card.
Look! Its THEIR fault! :mad:
 
Using words like an invasion is something you would expect from a far right group. Clearly happy to push tensions a little higher just days after a petrol bomb was thrown, you get the feeling things will turn very nasty if this continues. She is genuinely evil, it makes me sick that people like that have been voted into power. Those who voted for this should be disgusted with themselves
 
I don’t think Braverman is the problem.

Sunak’s first message to us all focussed on bringing accountability, compassion and integrity back into politics.

The reality is the current and previous Tory regimes have rewritten the definitions of all those words.
Further, reporters and journalists know if they ask the obvious questions they go to the back of a line for interviews. They can’t do their job. It’s censorship.

Telegraph, Sun, Times, Mail and Express set the agenda which is then followed by bots and cronies on twitter and facebook to influence the good folk of the UK.
The language used convinces people refugees are coming in their millions. Monetising them (£6m per day - were leaky Sue’s words) then allows people to blame them for the economic crises.

Sunak and reasonable Tory MPs could sort this but choose not to.
She is a leading player with the ERG, Sunak badly wanted the job (wonder why?) and without her he knows it would have gone to ballot and he’d have lost.
 
r00fie1 said:
The language of Braverman fits comfortably in the racist gutter of the neo-nazi National Front in the 1970s.
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No it does not.

The National front were ethno nationalists. Sunak? Braverman? Badenoch?

Immigration into the UK is at a higher level under the Tories than it was under Labour https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-statistics-year-ending-december-2021
 
With the mess that this government has created, and worse to come
It all seems like something of a diversion. It’s made every outlet in the country, and they’re running with it. Not in the substance, mainly the language. She’s probably untouchable for the time being, and focusing on her target audience. We can shout as much as we like.
It won’t make any difference.
 
Ziggy said:
With the mess that this government has created, and worse to come
It all seems like something of a diversion. It’s made every outlet in the country, and they’re running with it. Not in the substance, mainly the language. She’s probably untouchable for the time being, and focusing on her target audience. We can shout as much as we like.
It won’t make any difference.
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Just wondering.......
Sounds like it has dawned on Sunak and Hunt that the finances are in a mess.
Find a way to bring about an election where they can try and take a bit of high ground.
Get beat but not trounced - then the renaissance when Labour/Coalition can't make the finances work.
 
1finny said:
Just wondering.......
Sounds like it has dawned on Sunak and Hunt that the finances are in a mess.
Find a way to bring about an election where they can try and take a bit of high ground.
Get beat but not trounced - then the renaissance when Labour/Coalition can't make the finances work.
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I think if that is what Sunak is thinking, he may be in for a shock. Labour have already listed multiple ways they will avoid austerity, all costed too, and likely popular with the electorate. Labour would have to handle the recession that is coming but they also have a plan for that, but it may take some time to get closer EU alignment. That could easily add 2 or 3% to our GDP, enough to offset the recession? Maybe.
 
Pembroke said:
No it does not.

The National front were ethno nationalists. Sunak? Braverman? Badenoch?

Immigration into the UK is at a higher level under the Tories than it was under Labour https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-statistics-year-ending-december-2021
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I dont know what you were up to in the 70`s but Braverman`s assertions are almost word-for-word reproduction of the National Fronts racism of the 70s.
Its about political ideology not figures about migration.
The current government - and the Labour opposition, are so far to the right - they pose a threat, not just to migrants, but to democracy itself.
 
There is nothing successful they can point to, no serious policies they can promote. All the Brexiters are left with, all the far right is left with, all the Government is left with is stoking up their base in a culture war and, inevitably, they are now having to fall back on their last resort, immigration.

It's pathetic. It worked on Brexit so they think it will work again, but it was, if the brexiters on here are to believed, only a small component of their Brexit support.

Personally, like the stupid trans debate, we should just ignore it for the minor irrelevance it is, focus on the multitude of far bigger issues and let them waste their oxygen.

Immigration is not a concern and whatever issue there is is due to incompetence of their own making. When we left the EU we left the Dublin convention and they have had since 2016 to actually build decent immigration centres and put in place a system that actually exercised the much vaunted control that they wanted to take back.
 
Lefty said:
There is nothing successful they can point to, no serious policies they can promote. All the Brexiters are left with, all the far right is left with, all the Government is left with is stoking up their base in a culture war and, inevitably, they are now having to fall back on their last resort, immigration.

It's pathetic. It worked on Brexit so they think it will work again, but it was, if the brexiters on here are to believed, only a small component of their Brexit support.

Personally, like the stupid trans debate, we should just ignore it for the minor irrelevance it is, focus on the multitude of far bigger issues and let them waste their oxygen.

Immigration is not a concern and whatever issue there is is due to incompetence of their own making. When we left the EU we left the Dublin convention and they have had since 2016 to actually build decent immigration centres and put in place a system that actually exercised the much vaunted control that they wanted to take back.
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Excellent post 👏
 
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