Suella Braverman

[ThePrisoner]

There is nothing successful they can point to, no serious policies they can promote. All the Brexiters are left with, all the far right is left with, all the Government is left with is stoking up their base in a culture war and, inevitably, they are now having to fall back on their last resort, immigration.

It's pathetic. It worked on Brexit so they think it will work again, but it was, if the brexiters on here are to believed, only a small component of their Brexit support.

Personally, like the stupid trans debate, we should just ignore it for the minor irrelevance it is, focus on the multitude of far bigger issues and let them waste their oxygen.

Immigration is not a concern and whatever issue there is is due to incompetence of their own making. When we left the EU we left the Dublin convention and they have had since 2016 to actually build decent immigration centres and put in place a system that actually exercised the much vaunted control that they wanted to take back.

Deflect and distract.

Can't afford to heat your house? Just look at those immigrants in their warm hotels.
Can't afford to put food on the table? Those immigrants get three meals a day, paid for by you.
Not had a pay rise for three years? Those immigrants work for peanuts so keep your wages down. Then they will steal your job.
Power cuts? Wouldn't be any if we didn't have to waste power to heat and light those asylum centres.

 

[Lefty]

Not one asylum seeker NOR economic migrant has caused anyone's fuel bill to increase.

 

[NYboro]

Not one asylum seeker NOR economic migrant has caused anyone's fuel bill to increase.

Satire

 

[Pembroke]

I dont know what you were up to in the 70`s but Braverman`s assertions are almost word-for-word reproduction of the National Fronts racism of the 70s.
Its about political ideology not figures about migration.
The current government - and the Labour opposition, are so far to the right - they pose a threat, not just to migrants, but to democracy itself.

How could the daughter of immigrants be adopting the rhetoric of ethno nationalists?

Could you highlight the word for word assertions Braverman is making and highlight the word for word statements that Read, Tyndall and Webster made?

How can the Tories immigration policy which sees record numbers migrating to the UK mirror the ideology of the National Front?

 

[Crusoe]

How could the daughter of immigrants be adopting the rhetoric of ethno nationalists?

Could you highlight the word for word assertions Braverman is making and highlight the word for word statements that Read, Tyndall and Webster made?

How can the Tories immigration policy which sees record numbers migrating to the UK mirror the ideology of the National Front?

Good luck to trying to get a logical reply.

 

[Pembroke]

Good luck to trying to get a logical reply.

I was going to ask how Labour and Yvette Cooper are far to the right and how they pose a threat to migrants but fear a exploding head.

 

[r00fie1]

How could the daughter of immigrants be adopting the rhetoric of ethno nationalists?

Could you highlight the word for word assertions Braverman is making and highlight the word for word statements that Read, Tyndall and Webster made?

How can the Tories immigration policy which sees record numbers migrating to the UK mirror the ideology of the National Front?

I suggest you look at Bravermans recent declarations about Rwanda / Illegal Immigrants / Invasions / Aliens, etc.
Anyone [irregardless of race / colour / creed / faith] can be a far-right ethno nationalist [Narendra Modi for example].
Google Webster / Tyndall - some of the photographs posted answer your questions for you.
You might find it helpful to follow this link>> https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Anthony_Reed_Herbert.
He was the Fronts Legal Adviser - from an office above a Fire Safety shop on the corner of Charnwood Street and Humberstone Road [Leicester] in North Evington.


Read up and do your own research if you want.
You might find anti-fascist resource"Searchlight" [links to archive material] useful:

https://www.searchlightmagazine.com/#

I`m busy tonight, so must say cheerio for now.

 

[r00fie1]

Good luck to trying to get a logical reply.

Good luck

 

[r00fie1]

I was going to ask how Labour and Yvette Cooper are far to the right and how they pose a threat to migrants but fear a exploding head.

Follow the policy statements of the Labour leader and his agreement with current Tory policy on immigration and asylum.
Track over the last twelve months and you might get a clearer picture.
Good hunting.

 

[Pembroke]

I suggest you look at Bravermans recent declarations about Rwanda / Illegal Immigrants / Invasions / Aliens, etc.

That was not an answer to any of the three questions.

Anyone [irregardless of race / colour / creed / faith] can be a far-right ethno nationalist [Narendra Modi for example].

Anyone cannot be part of ethno nationalist party unless they share the same indigenous ethnic character.

 

[1finny]

How could the daughter of immigrants be adopting the rhetoric of ethno nationalists?

Could you highlight the word for word assertions Braverman is making and highlight the word for word statements that Read, Tyndall and Webster made?

How can the Tories immigration policy which sees record numbers migrating to the UK mirror the ideology of the National Front?

Not sure what you are trying to do other than be a pedant.

She is weaponising immigration - referring almost solely to Albanian criminals.
She is monetising them - focussing on a £6m a day bill to tax payers to drive hatred even further when people can’t afford to heat their homes. People she normally despises but wants them to hate.
One of her supporters has also, on live TV given the name of one of the hotels where they are staying.

Her motives are clear but, sadly, welcomed by many.

 

[Paintolerance]

Not sure what you are trying to do other than be a pedant.

She is weaponising immigration - referring almost solely to Albanian criminals.
She is monetising them - focussing on a £6m a day bill to tax payers to drive hatred even further when people can’t afford to heat their homes. People she normally despises but wants them to hate.
One of her supporters has also, on live TV given the name of one of the hotels where they are staying.

Her motives are clear but, sadly, welcomed by many.

Oh come on. Ok, so, she has said:
It's her dream to send those with a legal right to stay in the UK (most do) to Rwanda
She uses words like 'invasion' to stoke fear and anger (the day after what was, let's face it, a terrorist attack)
She agrees with her right honourable friend when he literally says send them back home on the boat they came in on
She suggests most are criminals
She plays up the sponger link...150 quid rooms are lovely (maybe not so much with 7 of you in it)
Diphtheria, scabies...get back to Calais if you don't like it

Pembroke Is right She is not playing to a nationalist audience at all. Much

 

[Archiestephens_elbow]

She would not be out of place in the Nazis in 30s Germany

 

[Pembroke]

Not sure what you are trying to do other than be a pedant.

I am pointing out facts.

The Tories and Labour do not share the ideology of the National Front.

 

[Paintolerance]

I am pointing out facts.

The Tories and Labour do not share the ideology of the National Front.

Roofie initially said:

The language of Braverman fits comfortably in the racist gutter of the neo-nazi National Front in the 1970s.

You took exception to that.

It is certainly not a fact that the sloganeering of Braverman is dissimilar to that of the NF.

 

[Pembroke]

Roofie initially said:

The language of Braverman fits comfortably in the racist gutter of the neo-nazi National Front in the 1970s.

You took exception to that.

It is certainly not a fact that the sloganeering of Braverman is dissimilar to that of the NF.

I have asked questions.

Lets do immigration.

John Tyndall wanted all immigration into the UK banned. Does any of Bravermans rhetoric meet that? The answer is no.

Martin Webster wanted all immigration into the UK to be limited to English speaking white migrants. Does any of Bravermans rhetoric meet that? The answer is no.

Her lanaguage does not sit with those she couldn't join, Bravermans heritage is obviously mixed race, the NF? Its not diiffiicult.

She would not be out of place in the Nazis in 30s Germany

As a non indigenous mixed race intellectual she would have fared? The Nazis would have killed her.

 

[brattleboro]

shes a filthy excuse for a woman!!! utter vile person

 

[Paintolerance]

I have asked questions.

Lets do immigration.

John Tyndall wanted all immigration into the UK banned. Does any of Bravermans rhetoric meet that? The answer is no.

Martin Webster wanted all immigration into the UK to be limited to English speaking white migrants. Does any of Bravermans rhetoric meet that? The answer is no.

Her lanaguage does not sit with those she couldn't join, Bravermans heritage is obviously mixed race, the NF? Its not diiffiicult.


As a non indigenous mixed race intellectual she would have fared? The Nazis would have killed her.

It's very dull discussing with someone being pedantic. So, here's my last say.

No, Braverman would not be welcomed into the NF.

Yes, labelling migrants as criminals who should be deported forthwith is from the NF playbook.

If you pander to extremists, you may as well be one yourself.

 

[The_Unicorn]

 

[xxlshirts_fit_all]

Got in a discussion with a friend on Facebook who more or less accused me of engaging in hate speach because I said I think cruella is a horrible person…
“Do you know her personally? if not why do you engage in such divisive chat about hero he asked…

he hasn’t replied to my answer that anyone who can gleefully dream about the day people are forcibly deported from our country for what ever reason is in my book a horrible person …

If he wasn’t such an old friend of mine I’d have bumped him ages ago over some of his political attitude…