newyddion
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I would say they don’t know how to.Ah I think you misunderstood my post. I was reaching for a reason the club had done nothing to address this.
I would say they don’t know how to.Ah I think you misunderstood my post. I was reaching for a reason the club had done nothing to address this.
Maybe Newy, I don't know. It's disappointing.I would say they don’t know how to.
Just state they don't want people booing it would be a startI would say they don’t know how to.
I think there was booing when we did do it.. as much as some folks took for granted those booing fully understood what the gesture meant, where it came from and what it represented I think many underestimated at the time how much the gesture had been politicised by American Conservatives saying it was anti patriotic, anti american.. then of course communist/marxist which goes from prominent right wing social media commentators in America describing ‘antifa’ as some sort of terrorist group.. this then gets translated by wannabe social media commentators in Britain as ‘anteefa’ - no real knowledge of what they are talking about, what they are hearing from America what it means and the huge difference in politics from across the pond (not such a big difference now) anteefa, marxists becomes ‘the left’ ‘Corbynites’ ‘Labour’ ‘snowflakes’ ‘wokeists’ - as that passes down the ladder from social media, to work, to pub, to terrace.. you quickly have folks more than happy to boo what they have been told and understand to be a political statement.. meaning Labour, Remain, Political Correctness, Wokeness.I mentioned this booing the taking of the knee to a non-Teesside mate. He asked why we don't take it and I explained it was stopped during Warnock's tenure, to which he somewhat sardonically replied, "What, Neil Warnock the keen Tory and Boris supporter oversaw the stopping of an anti-racist gesture? And now people are booing it? Surely not!"
Scotland and Wales - despite not always doing it (certainly Scotland don't always and think Wales are the same?) both took the knee with England after there had been some booing of England doing itI think there was booing when we did do it.. as much as some folks took for granted those booing fully understood what the gesture meant, where it came from and what it represented I think many underestimated at the time how much the gesture had been politicised by American Conservatives saying it was anti patriotic, anti american.. then of course communist/marxist which goes from prominent right wing social media commentators in America describing ‘antifa’ as some sort of terrorist group.. this then gets translated by wannabe social media commentators in Britain as ‘anteefa’ - no real knowledge of what they are talking about, what they are hearing from America what it means and the huge difference in politics from across the pond (not such a big difference now) anteefa, marxists becomes ‘the left’ ‘Corbynites’ ‘Labour’ ‘snowflakes’ ‘wokeists’ - as that passes down the ladder from social media, to work, to pub, to terrace.. you quickly have folks more than happy to boo what they have been told and understand to be a political statement.. meaning Labour, Remain, Political Correctness, Wokeness.
Sharing videos of cats from British First, eating up every last shred of gormeless Clarkson quips, Boris gaffs, Schofield gurns and even Gary Lineker tweets that don’t interfere with the status quo or match of the day going to air.. we have racism by osmosis.
Now, how do you educate your fans as about that when as ll they want to do is go to the football?
We ducked out, we passed the book, we hid behind Britt who agreed with Les Ferdinand.. but we forgot the action, we failed to be visible in our anti racist stance snd we allowed a small minority to sneak threw the cracks and control the narrative.
We are not Millwall fans, we are not Chelsea fans.. we have black players celebrated and close to the hearts of the boro fan base. Our most successful moments in our history don’t happen without Emerson, Ehiogu, Hasselbaink to name just a few.. is that what our fans are booing?
We were quick to jump on the bandwagon #WorldWithoutNature Greenpeace was considered to be a terrorist organisation by those who they held to account. The tories and the BBC have decided climate change is political now so they are cancelling a David Attenborough documentary.
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Imagine a world without wildlife?
How about imagine cup finals without our black players.. which we are in effect booing when teams take the knee. Imagine this season without Steffen, Archer, Ramsey, Akpom.. imagine a play off final with no black players because we failed to be visable, we put our heads in the sand when we needed to speak out.
We made a decision out of cowardice and we’ve failed to recitify that.. perhaps out of fear. Fear of confrontation? Fear of holding our hands up and saying we got it wrong?
Some have tried to defend it on here and none of the defences stack up or make any kind of sense from what I've read.I wouldn't boo, but I would like to hear their defence before labelling them.
The only real defence, and it is valid, albeit a little distasteful, is they have a right to boo, providing it isn't accompanied with hate speach.Some have tried to defend it on here and none of the defences stack up or make any kind of sense from what I've read.
an argument could be made that it is, for all intents and purposes, a form of hate speech.The only real defence, and it is valid, albeit a little distasteful, is they have a right to boo, providing it isn't accompanied with hate speach.
The only real defence, and it is valid, albeit a little distasteful, is they have a right to boo, providing it isn't accompanied with hate speach.
The club don't have to tolerate it, the Riverside is private property. They are, however, allowed to protest the gesture by booing, in law. Rightly or wrongly. Probably rightly given what that kind of legislation would, possibly, do.I'm not sure that is a defence. If they are booing an anti-racist gesture that, in itself is a racist action. The club wouldn't tolerate people shouting the N word at players so I am at a loss as to why they tolerate this. I would imagine it is because a lot of people are doing it and it would cause a storm to ban all of these fans. It is weak from Boro and very disappointing.
Not a legal argument though.an argument could be made that it is, for all intents and purposes, a form of hate speech.
Has this been mentioned by the club?A firm statement from the football club is looking more and more important every game as the booing grows
I can’t imagine the club are happy at all about what’s going on.Massively playing devil's advocate here. Where does freedom of speech end and offensive begin?
I know I am going to get pelters for this, and I am, in no way shape or form supporting the booing.
I would like to see the club do something about this. Perhaps our right to express ourselves is why they are not. Is this a stretch?
I can’t imagine the club are happy at all about what’s going on.
When opposition fans/staff, media and members of the public watching at home hear loud boos for an anti-racist gesture the logical conclusion would be Middlesbrough is a club that has a problem with racism.
I’m sure if as a anti-monarchist if I’d have booed the minute’s silence for the Queen the same people saying it’s their freedom of speech to boo the knee would have been calling for me to hung, drawn, quartered and banned.