Steve Gibson

[JM14]

It's a totally irrelevant argument to make, he will continue make whatever decisions he does until he doesn't.

He's made mistakes but he also puts his money in to give us a club to support.

He's not going about intentionally picking managers who turn out to be rubbish or too stubborn to adapt if we don't get in the players they want.

What do you want from your blaming, Gibson to walk or put us up for sale? Then what happens if the new owner gets it wrong?

The grass is, and has been shown many many times, is not greener on the other side.

We are not going to attract some super rich owner to Middlesbrough over and other club that someone like that could pick from.

We won’t attract any new ownership because of the state of the clubs finances and the debt which is just covered every season by Gibson. When he decides enough is enough the club is most likely ****ed

Relying on an owner throwing money to keep a club afloat isn’t sustainable

 

[Chris_Boro]

Sorry mate but this is a load of rubbish. He can legislate for it and he hasn’t. He’s the one that’s picked the managers. They’ve all failed. He’s handpicked the recruitment team. They’ve failed. You can’t control everything and you can’t guarantee anything but what you can do is make competent decisions. The last good decision he made was appointing Karanka. That was 8 years ago. He has made **** decision after **** decision. I’m grateful for his money but you can’t argue that his decisions have got us here.

My argument is simple, what does blaming the last 8 years on Gibson achieve for you?

What do you think will suddenly change?

I'm more annoyed at seeing 16 highly paid professional footballers trudge about not interested than Gibson getting it wrong.

 

[Chappy112]

I'm more annoyed at seeing 16 highly paid professional footballers trudge about not interested than Gibson getting it wrong.

What does that achieve for you?

 

[BobendBert]

My argument is simple, what does blaming the last 8 years on Gibson achieve for you?

What do you think will suddenly change?

I'm more annoyed at seeing 16 highly paid professional footballers trudge about not interested than Gibson getting it wrong.

What does being annoyed at the players achieve? What does praising or criticising players or managers on here do? What does talking about formations or signings on here achieve? Nowt. Might as well not comment on anything.

 

[fassy]

If you don’t agree that Gibbo is devoid of scrutiny- you’re wrong. Boro dads/sycophants 2022.

 

[JM14]

My argument is simple, what does blaming the last 8 years on Gibson achieve for you?

What do you think will suddenly change?

I'm more annoyed at seeing 16 highly paid professional footballers trudge about not interested than Gibson getting it wrong.

It’s unfair on them to say they aren’t interested, the squad just isn’t good enough. None of the forwards or midfield would get into another top 6 side. They can show all the effort in the world which most of them do, but the squad has a massive lack of quality that wasn’t addressed

 

[fassy]

Where’s the 25m gone Gibbo?

Why we paying the second highest ticket prices Gibbo?

Why do you give managers 5 minutes to get a team made up of your recruitment failures and last minute loans going Gibbo?

Why do you swing from trainee to experienced managers Gibbo? Attacking to defensive minded Gibbo?

 

[Chris_Boro]

We won’t attract any new ownership because of the state of the clubs finances and the debt which is just covered every season by Gibson. When he decides enough is enough the club is most likely ****ed

Relying on an owner throwing money to keep a club afloat isn’t sustainable

We won't attract new owners because of where we are, if we were in a more desirable location with a big base then dept is irrelevant.

Dept matters to us because we are not, football is a unsustainable business model that is heavily reliant on being in the Premier League.

Until we have a viable alternative, then Gibson is all we've got and sticking to boot in when times aren't great will achieve nothing.

 

[Chris_Boro]

It’s unfair on them to say they aren’t interested, the squad just isn’t good enough. None of the forwards or midfield would get into another top 6 side. They can show all the effort in the world which most of them do, but the squad has a massive lack of quality that wasn’t addressed

Today they were not interested in putting in the basic effort required, if that's unfair then so is blaming Gibson for it.

 

[JM14]

We won't attract new owners because of where we are, if we were in a more desirable location with a big base then dept is irrelevant.

Dept matters to us because we are not, football is a unsustainable business model that is heavily reliant on being in the Premier League.

Until we have a viable alternative, then Gibson is all we've got and sticking to boot in when times aren't great will achieve nothing.

Both Sunderland and newcastle had new owners in the last two years, the location argument is rubbish

We are just over two hours from London, some fans would have you think we are in the north highlands

 

[Cress]

Elaborate way of saying we lost today

 

[JM14]

Today they were not interested in putting in the basic effort required, if that's unfair then so is blaming Gibson for it.

Which player specifically? Far too easy to say everyone was lazy which is why we lost, this isn’t the case. The players put plenty of effort in, chased things etc. they were set up by someone who isn’t a manager because we have sacked yet another one and are in a squad full of players who just aren’t good enough because of failures by recruitment. That’s why we lost, not because the players couldn’t be arsed. They are professional athletes

 

[indeedido]

He's made mistakes but he also puts his money in to give us a club to support.

This belief is the fundamental problem.
He uses his Group's Balance Sheet to cover the perennial losses his running of the club results in.
He is not investing in the club, he is increasing and offsetting the debt.
The club owes the Group at least £120m. If they didn't, then they would have no debt, they would be a legitimate going concern. There would be high probability another investor/owner could be attracted to take the debt free club on.
This would mean that Gibson would have to write off the debt, convert it to equity. He would then have actually put the money in people think he has.
Frankly the only thing I would be concerned about with all that happening is if it seriously impacted Gibson O'Neill Group and impacted on its employees.
How Gibson has financed Boro is not unique, but it is a sick model which guarantees the club can only ever realistically be owned by him.

 

[InglebyUTB]

What do you want from your blaming, Gibson to walk or put us up for sale?

For him to actually learn from his mistakes

 

[JM14]

This belief is the fundamental problem.
He uses his Group's Balance Sheet to cover the perennial losses his running of the club results in.
He is not investing in the club, he is increasing and offsetting the debt.
The club owes the Group at least £120m. If they didn't, then they would have no debt, they would be a legitimate going concern. There would be high probability another investor/owner could be attracted to take the debt free club on.
This would mean that Gibson would have to write off the debt, convert it to equity. He would then have actually put the money in people think he has.
Frankly the only thing I would be concerned about with all that happening is if it seriously impacted Gibson O'Neill Group and impacted on its employees.
How Gibson has financed Boro is not unique, but it is a sick model which guarantees the club can only ever realistically be owned by him.

This seems to be the thing no one wants to or is willing to believe

 

[whinneybanksaint]

This seems to be the thing no one wants to or is willing to believe

Everybody knows this, Indeedido has eloquently pointed this out on many occasions
It seems you dont understand what hes saying.

 

[gizasqueezemister]

Gibson was untouchable in my eyes for my entire lifetime but nah not anymore, the club is an incomptent joke. One of the biggest attendances in the league, 2nd most expensive tickets and we've ended up with that disgrace on the pitch.

Don't blame Wilder, don't blame the players, it's those at the top that need to take a long hard look at themselves.

So what else do the players want from Gibson in order to play to their real potential? I assume he's paying them all on time? Decent money has been spent to assemble a decent (at least top 6) squad. They are massively underpeforming. Those players have stolen money from Gibson today. As a minimum they should be refunding the supporters that travelled from their own pockets. Just don't get how players not giving a **** lands at Gibsons door.

 

[JM14]

Everybody knows this, Indeedido has eloquently pointed this out on many occasions
It seems you dont understand what hes saying.

Read the thread people clearly don’t understand it. People genuinely don’t realise how much of an issue this is and think our only problems are down to the players/managers and nothing to do with the owner

 

[indeedido]

Today they were not interested in putting in the basic effort required, if that's unfair then so is blaming Gibson for it.

Chris, I don't think anybody is directly blaming Gibson for the poor performance and attitude of the players today in one match.
But he is owner, Chairman and has made every major decision at this club for the last awful 16 years. He is ultimately responsible for the position of the club on and off the pitch.

 

[JM14]

So what else do the players want from Gibson in order to play to their real potential? I assume he's paying them all on time? Decent money has been spent to assemble a decent (at least top 6) squad. They are massively underpeforming. Those players have stolen money from Gibson today. As a minimum they should be refunding the supporters that travelled from their own pockets. Just don't get how players not giving a **** lands at Gibsons door.

The players not giving a **** clearly isn’t our problem and the reason we are in this position.

Did you watch the game? I would guess they put the same effort in as Millwall based on running stats if that info is available?

Think we lost the game because we were set up by someone nowhere near qualified enough to do the job, not because the players couldn’t be bothered