LessoftheLip
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#76 and #78.That makes no sense at all.
It's like competing solo against a tag team wrestling duo. I can't keep up.
#76 and #78.That makes no sense at all.
I know what you mean so I'll simplify it. I asked you to provide evidence of Roger Waters' antiSemitism. Your reply is:#76 and #78.
It's like competing solo against a tag team wrestling duo. I can't keep up.
No, my post #78 was intended to be a reply to Scrote's post #76 which itself is a reply to my post #75 which queried what it is you meant in your post #74. Then in your post #77 you declined to answer the query I posed in my post #75.I know what you mean so I'll simplify it. I asked you to provide evidence of Roger Waters' antiSemitism. Your reply is:
"Answering on behalf of BBG again I see.
I require context before replying to him."
Is that it?
And if I follow that, it will lead to your evidence?No, my post #78 was intended to be a reply to Scrote's post #76 which itself is a reply to my post #75 which queried what it is you meant in your post #74. Then in your post #77 you declined to answer the query I posed in my post #75.
Hope that's cleared things up for you
But my post #76 was a response to you accusing people of swerving the question from post #66No, my post #78 was intended to be a reply to Scrote's post #76 which itself is a reply to my post #75 which queried what it is you meant in your post #74. Then in your post #77 you declined to answer the query I posed in my post #75.
Hope that's cleared things up for you
And #62. It's more of a slalom.You ignored my question in post #67 so I wasn't sure if that was actually an example of 'swerving'. I'm not fully up to speed with your rules.
You suggested that I disappeared from the board and returned with a different username all to avoid answering your question.And if I follow that, it will lead to your evidence?
How arrogant do you have to be to demand answers from everyone you engage with and accuse them of swerving questions if they don't comply, whilst the whole time you are doing the best impression of Franz Klammer imaginable? Your concern at my use of the word culmination is just another diversion tactic which has nothing to do with the original subject matter.You suggested that I disappeared from the board and returned with a different username all to avoid answering your question.
When I pointed out how utterly ridiculous that suggestion was you said "It was probably a culmination of things actually".
I don't know what you meant by that so I asked for clarification which you declined to give.
No I just want you to explain what you meant using the term "culmination of things" in respect of my "disappearance from the board". You've made a baseless accusation so before I reply to what you consider to be the original subject matter (it isn't really though is it?) I'm simply asking you to make clear what it is you meant.Your concern at my use of the word culmination is just another diversion tactic which has nothing to do with the original subject matter.
No I just want you to explain what you meant using the term "culmination of things" in respect of my "disappearance from the board". You've made a baseless accusation so before I reply to what you consider to be the original subject matter (it isn't really though is it?) I'm simply asking you to make clear what it is you meant.
I meant that you were right that it wasn't a single comment from me (or anybody else for that matter) that caused you to leave the board. OK?Can you tell me what you mean by 'culmination of things'.
I've put some of the blame on him before. He's not the reason it was lost, nowhere near, but if he had been a lot more vocally pro EU, been a better leader, then remain could have easily got another couple of percent, and that's all it would have took. Lots of people with a small amount of impact can really change outcomes in big ways.I’ve not heard 1 person blame Brexit on Corbyn.
Lots of other generalisations in your observations too.
Both prob decent people trying to get elected.
Both have prob got principles and, in the face of media scrutiny compromised.
Don’t know how JC would have led the country.
Hopefully we will find out with KS - then we judge.
Corbyn actually spoke at more Remain events during the campaign than any of his shadow cabinet, so I guess some of the blame should be placed on them.Lots of people with a small amount of impact can really change outcomes in big ways.
I believe that Corbyn's main issue when it comes to Brexit want so much the referendum but the 2019 election. Johnson was clearly campaigning on a single issue. Get Brexit done. Had Corbyn addressed this, the tories would probably still have won but with a slender enough or no majority and he would have been in the same position as may.Corbyn actually spoke at more Remain events during the campaign than any of his shadow cabinet, so I guess some of the blame should be placed on them.
Corbyn actually spoke at more Remain events during the campaign than any of his shadow cabinet, so I guess some of the blame should be placed on them.
Corbyn did table an amendment in 2019 for a much softer Brexit including staying in the customs union ,and the Irish border problem would have been solved. Caroline Lucas and about 10 right wing labour MPs voted against it and it lost by three votes.I believe that Corbyn's main issue when it comes to Brexit want so much the referendum but the 2019 election. Johnson was clearly campaigning on a single issue. Get Brexit done. Had Corbyn addressed this, the tories would probably still have won but with a slender enough or no majority and he would have been in the same position as may.
This was the crux of why I say Corbyn had to shoulder some of the reasonability for where we are.
His presentation of labours position during the 2019 election was laughable though Bbg.Corbyn did table an amendment in 2019 for a much softer Brexit including staying in the customs union ,and the Irish border problem would have been solved. Caroline Lucas and about 10 right wing labour MPs voted against it and it lost by three votes.
I thought that was about it, what I can’t understand is why us cheeky working class people still swallow anything that the mainstream media serve up.It's pretty obvious really.
A bunch of largely middle-class centrists blame Corbyn for Brexit - despite both his constituency and his Labour party members voting massively in favour of Remain.
They blame him for two election defeats despite having the full force of the British media thrown at him and having no support from his own Parliamentary Party (MPs).
They also claim that he should have stood down after a vote of no confidence because that's the democratic thing to do but don't care that the PLP ignored the democratic wishes of the membership (twice).
They will claim he was a terrible leader but won't define what they think good leadership qualities are.
They will claim he's a poor politician despite being returned to the same constituency seat for over 35 years (10 elections).
They think his track record of attempting to broker peace in various theatres and his protests against e.g. apartheid South Africa make him an unsuitable candidate for Labour leader as it gave the media ammunition to use against him.
And he looked scruffy once when he was on his allotment.
Essentially they prefer someone who looks like a middle-manager at an IT conglomerate who has never done anything remotely left-wing, so there's nothing the press can point at. A knighthood and membership of some elite bodies also helps to show he's really one of the people. And the middle name Rodney as they all loved Only Fools and Horses back in the day.
So it wasn't Corbyn's position that you disagreed with it was the fact that people were fed up and needed easy solutions to difficult problems and Corbyn couldn't deliver that impossibility.His presentation of labours position during the 2019 election was laughable though Bbg.
I could see that it may appear sensible to agree a deal then let they're be a people's choice. What it completely ignored was how fed up people were with the impasse. I wouldn't be surprised if plenty of remainers voted for the tories just to get rid of Brexit. Not saying that was sensible but there was a fair amount of brexit fatigue and government was hamstrung.
Corbyn and the wider labour party screwed it up.
Fully agree with this.His presentation of labours position during the 2019 election was laughable though Bbg.
I could see that it may appear sensible to agree a deal then let they're be a people's choice. What it completely ignored was how fed up people were with the impasse. I wouldn't be surprised if plenty of remainers voted for the tories just to get rid of Brexit. Not saying that was sensible but there was a fair amount of brexit fatigue and government was hamstrung.
Corbyn and the wider labour party screwed it up.