So what does wilder do first

apart from aron ramsdale i cant remember any player from sheff utd leaving for another premier club for millions. i think thats quite telling resale value of his players is pretty abysmal which tends to suggest he gets the best out very ordinary players, none of his players ramsdale apart seem to be wanted by other premier teams, and have progressed to a higher level and sold for a significant profit. Worse still when he has spent big money hes had very little success. maybe newy can shed some more light on his transfer strategies but it seems very far away from the brentford model of unearthing diamond after diamond and selling for profit and reinvesting. It will be interesting to see how recruitment unfolds for us with wilder and kieran scott.
 
Glover_elbow said:
apart from aron ramsdale i cant remember any player from sheff utd leaving for another premier club for millions. i think thats quite telling resale value of his players is pretty abysmal which tends to suggest he gets the best out very ordinary players, none of his players ramsdale apart seem to be wanted by other premier teams, and have progressed to a higher level and sold for a significant profit. Worse still when he has spent big money hes had very little success. maybe newy can shed some more light on his transfer strategies but it seems very far away from the brentford model of unearthing diamond after diamond and selling for profit and reinvesting. It will be interesting to see how recruitment unfolds for us with wilder and kieran scott.
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Bore off
 
Glover_elbow said:
apart from aron ramsdale i cant remember any player from sheff utd leaving for another premier club for millions. i think thats quite telling resale value of his players is pretty abysmal which tends to suggest he gets the best out very ordinary players, none of his players ramsdale apart seem to be wanted by other premier teams, and have progressed to a higher level and sold for a significant profit. Worse still when he has spent big money hes had very little success. maybe newy can shed some more light on his transfer strategies but it seems very far away from the brentford model of unearthing diamond after diamond and selling for profit and reinvesting. It will be interesting to see how recruitment unfolds for us with wilder and kieran scott.
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He took players from league 1 all the way to the premier league and they did a good job for him there for a year or so. He gets more out of players than they probably believe they have. He’s a great manager who plays an easy on the eye brand of football. Don’t understand your negativity if I’m honest.

Yes he wasted a few quid in the premier league but we aren’t premier league yet, he has shown he can get out of this league and for me that’s what our target is. Scott is hopefully the guy for recruitment anyway.
 
If we got promoted I'd bring in Milner and a few other stalwarts who can stay for 2 years at least. The Mag's might go down-- would you take any players from their squad?
 
Diego said:
Would give Daniels a chance to January but would suggest we need a keeper. Stojanovic may actually be more a Wilder keeper than the other 2.

If he wants to play the same as has in the past we will need a fit left footed centre back capable of getting up and down the pitch.

We will need a play maker who sits deep ( he loved Norwood) we don’t have anyone capable.

He also likes a link man between the striker and midfield ( McGoldrick) who for me would be someone we should br targeting. Tremendous footballer at this level.
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George Friend ....
 
Thought it was interesting that he commented on the injuries and that he wanted to look into that. Got the impression he's not convinced its just bad luck, so possibly thinks it could be linked to training or some other failing on the sports science side?

Given Warnock apparently wasnt aware half the squad were skipping breakfast at one point, there might be something in that.
 
festa5 said:
Thought it was interesting that he commented on the injuries and that he wanted to look into that. Got the impression he's not convinced its just bad luck, so possibly thinks it could be linked to training or some other failing on the sports science side?

Given Warnock apparently wasnt aware half the squad were skipping breakfast at one point, there might be something in that.
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Yes I noticed that as well
 
festa5 said:
Thought it was interesting that he commented on the injuries and that he wanted to look into that. Got the impression he's not convinced its just bad luck, so possibly thinks it could be linked to training or some other failing on the sports science side?

Given Warnock apparently wasnt aware half the squad were skipping breakfast at one point, there might be something in that.
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A shrewd man wilder.
A few wondered about coaching methods - with players apparently picking up "injuries" in training.
Get the impression he will shake up everything he needs to.
Looking forward to seeing how the lads adapt and start playing "for fun" and expressing themselves (y)
 
zorro_mfc said:
Where would you strengthen as a priority if you were him and what about in goal as Daniels appeared to play well yesterday.
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If he plans on playing the formation and tactics of Sheff United.

CB - We have McNair who can play that overlapping role, but no one else, so he'll need a CB with a great engien and good on the ball.

RB - recall Djed or sign another RWB with a good engine

CDM - Important role if defenders are bombing forward you need someone to be solid in front of defence and break up opposition counter attacks.

I'd think those positions are most important.
 
r00fie1 said:
A shrewd man wilder.
A few wondered about coaching methods - with players apparently picking up "injuries" in training.
Get the impression he will shake up everything he needs to.
Looking forward to seeing how the lads adapt and start playing "for fun" and expressing themselves (y)
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Reading Warnock's book he gives the impression that training sessions are quite "light touch" - he's not known for overworking players and as such it might be that we can get more out of the squad fitness wise?

I would expect both workrate and team cohesion to improve under Wilder. He's very good at organising teams around a system, this will be his first job. Will be very interesting to see if he goes for his tried and tested style from Blades or adapts based on the playing squad (I think it will be the latter personally).
 
Glover_elbow said:
i think thats quite telling resale value of his players is pretty abysmal which tends to suggest he gets the best out very ordinary players, none of his players ramsdale apart seem to be wanted by other premier teams, and have progressed to a higher level and sold for a significant profit.
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that's probably largely because of the fact he took over a league one side and had limited cash to buy quality players. The one big splurdge, Brewster, didn't work to increase his cost.

Doesn't mean he can't build valuable players, that prem sides would want, more that he hasn't really had the opportunity to do that
 
Caesium137 said:
Didn't Warnock move aside our female sports scientist we had working with the first team to bring his mate in?

Or did she have another role?
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well he isn't a man who believes in experts, he doesn't buy into heavy data analysis, into people with certificates and education. HE's more into trust and chumocrasy. It's why he was a massive brexiteer and boris fan. Not that you can't be a good footballer manager while being those things, but it's indicative of his mindset.
 
changingman said:
Reading Warnock's book he gives the impression that training sessions are quite "light touch" - he's not known for overworking players and as such it might be that we can get more out of the squad fitness wise?

I would expect both workrate and team cohesion to improve under Wilder. He's very good at organising teams around a system, this will be his first job. Will be very interesting to see if he goes for his tried and tested style from Blades or adapts based on the playing squad (I think it will be the latter personally).
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Yeah, I agree. We don't currently have the players to play the system he used at SU. You could shoehorn players into it, but then it's square pegs in round roles.

That system at SU was innovative, so who's to say he won't come up with something else? Aside from the defensive injuries one of his challenges is finding a way of fitting the abundance of attacking players into a system that suits them, but doesn't leave us too open. I think Warnock struggled to solve this conundrum but he's quite rigid in how he wants his teams to play.
 
Caesium137 said:
Didn't Warnock move aside our female sports scientist we had working with the first team to bring his mate in?

Or did she have another role?
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Yeah, don't know the ins and outs but she definitely moved on.

I know it's not necessarily as simple as blaming the sports science department but since he took over and brought his own man in we've suffered more injuries and several players have seemed to struggle to last 90 mins. NW himself moaned about players fitness quite a few times too.

For any pro club sports science, conditioning, nutrition etc should be an absolute priority. It's one thing you can definitely control. I found the whole "breakfastgate" thing a bit ridiculous to be honest. He seemed to think it excused him from blame but just made him and his staff look ridiculously unprofessional IMO.
 
festa5 said:
That system at SU was innovative, so who's to say he won't come up with something else?
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exactly. The philosophy was when in possession get as many players high up the pitch as possible, because a) more players up the pitch means more chance of scoring and b) more players up the pitch means the opposition have to follow you back or leave themselves vulnerable to overloads, this benefits us in that it makes them very deep and hard to counter attack against us.

Overlapping CBs isn't the only way of getting lots of players high up the pitch, he may do it a different way. If he decided to do it as he did at Sheff Utd, then I wouldn't be surprised to see Nathan Wood back at Boro and in that back 3. Comfortable on the ball, good pace, decent engine, him and McNair cold both do that role with Bamba or another sat holding.
 
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