So if then 21st is delayed .....

The majority of people I talk to are OK with a delay if means preventing a 3rd wave.
Whats the feeling here?
 
zzzzz said:
The majority of people I talk to are OK with a delay if means preventing a 3rd wave.
Whats the feeling here?
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I agree. As the figures form Bolton seem to suggest the Delta variant flare up seems strong but mercifully short. Given there are very few restrictions at the moment I don’t see any harm in waiting a month before highly opening up. It would be different if we were in lockdown but truthfully there is not much we can’t currently do
 
We are going to have to learn to live with this virus, like any other.
Never will the day come when we are completely clear of this virus.
The public were conned before the pandemic, conned during the worst days of lockdown and we are still being conned - but the British public are slowly coming to realise they were conned.
The coiled spring is already pushing back =>
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It's irritating, but as others have said there are very few restrictions compared to before right now anyway.

You can sit with your friends, you can go for a meal, you can go for a drink.

I don't enjoy table service or not being able to stand at a bar, but it's not a massive hardship to carry it on for another 5-6 weeks.
 
TeaCider said:
It's irritating, but as others have said there are very few restrictions compared to before right now anyway.

You can sit with your friends, you can go for a meal, you can go for a drink.

I don't enjoy table service or not being able to stand at a bar, but it's not a massive hardship to carry it on for another 5-6 weeks.
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If he hadn't cocked it up. You wouldnt need to

Can't you see he's useless
 
Archiestephens_elbow said:
If he hadn't cocked it up. You wouldnt need to

Can't you see he's useless
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I think we are crossing streams here. Yes I totally agree government incompetence has led to this, not putting India on the red list has caused a big spike in cases and hospitalisations. he government has blood on it's hands, again. However, that doesn't mean we should open up fully. Regardless of how we got here, the situation is too febrile at the moment to open up everything.
 
Aet290204 said:
I had exactly the same back in January when out jogging. Self righteous posh bunt shouted “two meters” at me. Yeh mate I’ll get run over for you. Wouldn’t mind but i overtook him and his stupid missus on the inside of the road and kept a respectable distance.

Really Wanted to stop and rip into the guy to tell him I was only jogging to get over depression caused by isolation and the pandemic but since the silly **** couldn’t see further than his own nose what was the point??
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Hence why I just told him to **** off. Funnily enough I didn't get a response from him after that.🤣
 
Johnnyweetabix said:
Then I assume international travel with more green countries going on the list will go out the window?

Wondering if my early July Mallorca trip is about as likely as a boro promotion !

Ryanair from Teesside also
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Ref Foreign Travel, the 21st did not end the Travel Restrictions and requirements if the 21st came and went and Spain was still an amber country you would have been expected to self isolate or pull the don't you know I'm Michael Gove excuse.

As for the current situation its all going to come down to the expected pressure on the NHS isnt it. Its not about the absolute numbers entering hospital today (although they are increasing) its the rate of growth which is trending the same trajectory as last Autumn.

These useless ******* had their way out of this and hit the 21st by breaking the link, yet once again letting Delta take a foothold rather than stopping at the border all they have done is weaken the link so its become a race of vaccination vs the rate of increase in infections.

Another 3 weeks of the current status should not be too bad for the majority - I quite like table service or ordering by app in the pub - but once again the hope given to those who wanted a big wedding or go to a nightclub has been destroyed by the Fat Clowns incompetence
 
So the bit I’m struggling with is having looked on the nhs website at deaths by age it’s not the under 40s as people might expect it’s still predominately the 60+ which of course is still bad. The news are saying that recent Indian strain admissions and I assume deaths were in the vast majority unvaccinated people . So can I infer that’s there are a lot of unvaccinated older people still ? If so I’m not sure what we can do about this . These people should have been fully vaccinated for weeks if not months.

so what do we do here ? Restrict the country still? Kids and young seem to be fine .
 
Lets get shouting at the Tele whilst the "Government" quickly and quietly hand over our NHS and Public Healthcare to the USA(y)
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Johnnyweetabix said:
So the bit I’m struggling with is having looked on the nhs website at deaths by age it’s not the under 40s as people might expect it’s still predominately the 60+ which of course is still bad. The news are saying that recent Indian strain admissions and I assume deaths were in the vast majority unvaccinated people . So can I infer that’s there are a lot of unvaccinated older people still ? If so I’m not sure what we can do about this . These people should have been fully vaccinated for weeks if not months.

so what do we do here ? Restrict the country still? Kids and young seem to be fine .
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The problem is the ratios Basically Infections to hospitalisations to ICU to Death. The trajectory we were on when the Infection rate was declining due to restrictions and vaccinations ment the 21st was probably about right.

Delta has inverted that and at current rates of Infection growth mean that as the ratio conversion has been weakened it has not been broken.

So if the infection rate continues to increase at current rates although the link from Infection to Death may have been halved or better a smaller percentage of a very big number is still a lot of people needlessly dying due to the Fat Clown letting Delta take a hold.

The additional 4 weeks would be to balance up where we should have been if Delta had not become part of the equation.
 
One final point

The poor buggers who have played their part brilliantly - the youngsters late teens early twenties - who have gone through everything us old folk have - locking down, not going out with their mates, racking up thousands in student fees when there have been no classes in order to not kill their mam and dad and grandma and grandad are the very last group to be offered the vaccines.

b***r the current 25 plus restriction, vaccines should be open and offered to every one who wants one NOW, every night there should be no vaccines left in storage, they should be in peoples arms.

Vaccinations are still the only long term way to break the ratio and it needs to happen quicker than it is now.
 
The restrictions which are really biting are the lack of GP appointments, dental services moving at the pace of a geological age and waiting lists for operations snaking ever longer.

These must be affecting so many people, but we get a warped perception of Covid from press reports. I read the other day of a 600% increase somewhere when a town went from 2 to 12, but that bit was buried further down the article.

It's the same with the stats for over 60s: the percentages look bad, but the actual numbers are a small fraction of previous rates.

The NHS weigh up tough decisions every day with when to withdraw treatment and which medicines are cost effective for possible care plans. This virus is just going to have to join those other conditions and illnesses.
 
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