Silvera

[Laughing]

The revisionism on here of late is staggering to be honest. You’d think you’d imagined those threads that littered the board after the first few games, particularly on the night we played at Hillsborough. A lot just seem to either pretend they didn’t say it or pretend they meant something else. Some of the stuff that was posted was absolutely appalling.

Going off the past couple of weeks’ worth of threads, you’d think the barrage of dog’s abuse aimed at the players, the staff, the chairman, Woodgate, Scott and Bausor hadn’t even happened.

I was trying to be a bit more polite than you viv

 

[Jedi boro]

I remember yourself and I getting pelters at the start of the season over our views.

I think the issue was you and others were saying we need to be patient playing them week in week out whereas other an I include myself in them were arguing it was too early too soon they just weren’t ready.

Thankfully we have now found that magic formula and I think there’s a whole lot more still to come as well.

 

[Quicksilvera]

I think the issue was you and others were saying we need to be patient playing them week in week out whereas other an I include myself in them were arguing it was too early too soon they just weren’t ready.

Thankfully we have now found that magic formula and I think there’s a whole lot more still to come as well.

My views were that as fans we needed to be patient and we would turn the form around, I also said our players had obvious talent and the recruitment team were doing a great job, I also stated that Gibson had really backed us only to be accused of being a troll/club mouthpiece/working for mfc etc.

We have a seriously talented squad and are more equipped for success than last season.

 

[viv_andersons_nana]

I don’t really have the inclination to do it but imagine hoofing some of those threads from the days leading up to Sheffield Wednesday away. People were in full meltdown. The team, the coaching and the recruitment staff were a disgrace and the club had built a team fit enough only for League One, the club was in terminal decline and had been as far back as the middle of April, the chairman and Kieron Scott had pulled the wool over Carrick’s eyes and were worthy of nothing other than contempt.

It was always ludicrously over the top. And borderline offensive at times.

 

[Laughing]

I think the issue was you and others were saying we need to be patient playing them week in week out whereas other an I include myself in them were arguing it was too early too soon they just weren’t ready.

Thankfully we have now found that magic formula and I think there’s a whole lot more still to come as well.

I don't agree with this Jedi. I believe that Carrick, Engel aside, wanted to persevere with Rogers Lath and Silvera but they were getting pelters both from fans in the ground and on social media. I think fans forced his hand, not results.

The reason I believe this is based on Carricks post match comments when we were loosing. At no point did he seem concerned. Fans forced his hand to protect developing players. Pretty shameful in my opinion.

 

[Otto42]

I remember yourself and I getting pelters at the start of the season over our views

A few disagreed with you, myself included, but at the moment things are looking good. Still don't think our approach at the start of the season was particularly organised, with all the new players, but that's the problem with having transfer windows closing a month into the season. Hopefully things continue in this vein, but obviously there will be a few bumps in the road!

 

[outoftown]

My views were that as fans we needed to be patient and we would turn the form around, I also said our players had obvious talent and the recruitment team were doing a great job, I also stated that Gibson had really backed us only to be accused of being a troll/club mouthpiece/working for mfc etc.

We have a seriously talented squad and are more equipped for success than last season.

We might be more equipped for success than at the same point as last season, but there is no way that the current squad is as good as the one we had after January.

 

[Otto42]

I don't agree with this Jedi. I believe that Carrick, Engel aside, wanted to persevere with Rogers Lath and Silvera but they were getting pelters both from fans in the ground and on social media. I think fans forced his hand, not results.

The reason I believe this is based on Carricks post match comments when we were loosing. At no point did he seem concerned. Fans forced his hand to protect developing players. Pretty shameful in my opinion.

Do you really think that?

Carrick's calmness personified, he changed things around - particularly bringing in Coburn and that's worked. I would be pretty surprised if he picked the team based on what people post on social media or say in phone ins. The fans in the ground seemed relatively patient given the awful start.

 

[Laughing]

Do you really think that?

Carrick's calmness personified, he changed things around - particularly bringing in Coburn and that's worked. I would be pretty surprised if he picked the team based on what people post on social media or say in phone ins. The fans in the ground seemed relatively patient given the awful start.

When players read that they are stealing a living, they are frauds, League 1 at best. I could go on. The manager has a duty of care to those players. Managers have said publicly, in the past, that they have removed players from the firing line to save them from further criticism.

Yes I really think that. Carrick does seem to be a very good man manager that understands the importance of mental wellbeing with his players. Another example of this is Jones being taken out of the firing line last season.

 

[Jedi boro]

When players read that they are stealing a living, they are frauds, League 1 at best. I could go on. The manager has a duty of care to those players. Managers have said publicly, in the past, that they have removed players from the firing line to save them from further criticism.

Yes I really think that. Carrick does seem to be a very good man manager that understands the importance of mental wellbeing with his players. Another example of this is Jones being taken out of the firing line last season.

I don’t think carrick would move anything based on anyone out side his coaching staffs views and nor should he.

 

[Laughing]

I don’t think carrick would move anything based on anyone out side his coaching staffs views and nor should he.

His coaching staffs view could be that the backlash on social media/in the ground is adversley effecting the player.

Where a player is suffering mentally due to some fans responses, then of course the manager should protect that player. Some players, it wouldn't bother them, some it would. For those that it does the manager has a duty of care to remove them for their own protection.

To suggest a manager would ignore this is wrong Jedi.

 

[Jedi boro]

His coaching staffs view could be that the backlash on social media/in the ground is adversley effecting the player.

Where a player is suffering mentally due to some fans responses, then of course the manager should protect that player. Some players, it wouldn't bother them, some it would. For those that it does the manager has a duty of care to remove them for their own protection.

To suggest a manager would ignore this is wrong Jedi.

I didn’t say ignore I said I doubt some one like carrick with his back ground would alter his own plans because some numpty on a message board or in row 13 in the west stand shouts something.

 

[outoftown]

Or maybe you'd suggest, to said players , come off social media for a bit ?

 

[Laughing]

I didn’t say ignore I said I doubt some one like carrick with his back ground would alter his own plans because some numpty on a message board or in row 13 in the west stand shouts something.

We will agree to disagree Jedi.

 

[Frozen Horse]

We might be more equipped for success than at the same point as last season, but there is no way that the current squad is as good as the one we had after January.

It wasn't as good before January as it was after January last season either.

Maybe we'll do something in January this season too?

We do lack the raw goal threat we had last season. While I like ELL and Coburn, I don't see us blowing teams away like we did Reading, Norwich and Preston at home last season.

I wouldn't be surprised to see us add another striker in January. RB is a possibility too.

 

[Laughing]

It wasn't as good before January as it was after January last season either.

Maybe we'll do something in January this season too?

We do lack the raw goal threat we had last season. While I like ELL and Coburn, I don't see us blowing teams away like we did Reading, Norwich and Preston at home last season.

I wouldn't be surprised to see us add another striker in January. RB is a possibility too.

Another striker in Jan would depend on whether our current strikers are hitting a rich vein of form.

We have 2 loans at the minute, one of which is an option to buy. This is better than last season, certainly. Not sure I would want any more than one loan in January though.

 

[Diego]

Great finish by Sammy yesterday. Chuffed for him, turned out to be a huge goal

 

[Jedi boro]

Great finish by Sammy yesterday. Chuffed for him, turned out to be a huge goal

I think that Aussie cap is great for him as well

 

[r00fie1]

Carrick decides what hes doing.
Having been an England International, played at the highest level of the game domestically and abroad, won more bits of silver, honours, medals and cups than most of us have had hot dinners - he doesnt listen to social media, FMTTM [even though we like his bergundy jumper] or anyone else.
Here`s what he had to say before the Birmingham game:

Good squad depth is creating problems for you?!​

Its not problems. No! Its what I`m here for. What I want. The problem is when you havent got the choices, when you havent got flexibility or variety…..and at the moment I think the boys are in good shape, the squad`s in good shape, we`ve got good balance in terms of players that can step in……..At the moment, we would love everyone to be fit, but unfortunately its not really the case you get the whole squad fit for long periods of time. Still, we`re in good shape.​

How difficult is it as Manager to pick players for the team?​

Its never easy when you got to leave players out of the team or they`re not playing, but I think...hopefully, from what I see, the players understand that. Saturday is the most important day for that reason because its the next game. But its [about] the whole season, managing the squad and certain players will have bigger impact at certain times...for different reasons. But I will say the boys train well and keep themselves ready. They`ll all have a massive part to play...they already have done…..and that will continue.​

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[Ravshoutsatbeck]

Carrick decides what hes doing.
Having been an England International, played at the highest level of the game domestically and abroad, won more bits of silver, honours, medals and cups than most of us have had hot dinners - he doesnt listen to social media, FMTTM [even though we like his bergundy jumper] or anyone else.
Here`s what he had to say before the Birmingham game:

Good squad depth is creating problems for you?!

Its not problems. No! Its what I`m here for. What I want. The problem is when you havent got the choices, when you havent got flexibility or variety…..and at the moment I think the boys are in good shape, the squad`s in good shape, we`ve got good balance in terms of players that can step in……..At the moment, we would love everyone to be fit, but unfortunately its not really the case you get the whole squad fit for long periods of time. Still, we`re in good shape.

How difficult is it as Manager to pick players for the team?

Its never easy when you got to leave players out of the team or they`re not playing, but I think...hopefully, from what I see, the players understand that. Saturday is the most important day for that reason because its the next game. But its [about] the whole season, managing the squad and certain players will have bigger impact at certain times...for different reasons. But I will say the boys train well and keep themselves ready. They`ll all have a massive part to play...they already have done…..and that will continue.



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I think this is one are where we are genuinely better than last seasons squad - especially if we get people fit.

There are a lot more options to vary and change it - against cov last year we were lacking for other options whereas I think we might get to the point later in the year where it would be debatable if the starting player or the bench player should be in.

I think you could get to a point where everyone would choose a different 4 from crooks/Rogers/forss/silvera/ELL/Coburn/Greenwood/Mcgree.