Ayresomes_on_Fire
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It isn't the only thing. They have had 6 years to ascertain whether Westminster was speaking with fork tongue in 2014.
It isn't the only thing but its the main thing for most.
It isn't the only thing. They have had 6 years to ascertain whether Westminster was speaking with fork tongue in 2014.
Hard to see how the amount of leavers would reduce. If anything it will just be a closer “in” outcome.True but that wont sway things to independence. I reckon 60/40 in favour of staying with the union.
Exactly do realise how integrated the United Kingdom is. The EU is largely hypothetical on many fronts but the links with Scotland are very real and very deep.Scotland going independent would make Brexit look like a tea party.
I think this is true and fair.They were told that it was a once in a generation referendum unless "anything significant changes" . Now I don't know about anyone else but being dragged out of the EU against their wishes is something that I would call significant,
I think this is true and fair.
If an SNP landslide occurs in the forthcoming election then they surely have the right to vote again.
I do not see an easy return to the EU for them and a huge problem in their relationship with past benefactor. I'm not sure when push comes to shove they will vote Leave UK. If they do, then we should respect it. We should also then ensure the Rest of UK is prioritised completely in our thinking; Scotland should not be our concern.
I am more of the view that Ireland will be united first. Again, if this is NI's wish (and Ireland's) then it should happen.
Personally I hope the UK continues in full, but would prefer a Great Britain to a UK of England, Wales and Northern Ireland.
Sturgeon could be in bother with her hubby regarding half truths. Evidently they never talk politics at home.The problem is the Scots currently have some serious intelligent politicians who have put a lot of thought into the way a future, friendly, co-operative relationship with England could work. The English do not and the current lot especially will be vindictive, insulting and combative in their approach. If it happens, let's hope Starmer is PM.
My personal preference would be for Westminster to embrace PR for the Commons and have a half elected/half appointed HOL with longer terms of office than the Commons and some constitutional powers over the Commons in some matters.
Christ I would, anything but have to contemplate anything more intimate.Sturgeon could be in bother with her hubby regarding half truths. Evidently they never talk politics at home.
Whether you agree with it or not, all countries have the right to self determination. The EU referendum was also a often described "as a once in a generation decision", it didn't stop people petitioning for a second one
Except EFTA is not a purely Trading bloc.One thing I did agree with on the referendum is that although Brexiters were talking absolute provable gash that in 1973 they were told that they were only entering a Trade Bloc, it is certainly true that over time any entity may have evolved differently to expectations or in a completely new direction or even too far down a certain road, so it does make sense to periodically stop and take a moment to ask if people no longer want to be part of what it has become. That is probably what Leavers meant, they just weren't adept enough at framing their position that way and resorted instead to bullsh1t about being lied to in 1973/74, when in fact anyone reasonably well informed about the EU/EEC question would have remembered that it was precisely because the EEC was both a political bloc and trading one that we set up EFTA as a rival purely trading bloc, not to mention that the first aim of the EEC was to maintain peace in Western Europe. That, by it's very nature, is a political aim.
An rUK of England, Wales and NI sort of feels like it's not really the UK anymore. Its a weird combination. But it could happen. Without Scotland is it really a 'United Kingdom'?I think this is true and fair.
If an SNP landslide occurs in the forthcoming election then they surely have the right to vote again.
I do not see an easy return to the EU for them and a huge problem in their relationship with past benefactor. I'm not sure when push comes to shove they will vote Leave UK. If they do, then we should respect it. We should also then ensure the Rest of UK is prioritised completely in our thinking; Scotland should not be our concern.
I am more of the view that Ireland will be united first. Again, if this is NI's wish (and Ireland's) then it should happen.
Personally I hope the UK continues in full, but would prefer a Great Britain to a UK of England, Wales and Northern Ireland.
It was kind of my point atypical - re Rest of UK, hence my greater affection for Great Britain.An rUK of England, Wales and NI sort of feels like it's not really the UK anymore. Its a weird combination. But it could happen. Without Scotland is it really a 'United Kingdom'?
Interesting that you point out about Ireland's feelings. Do they even want the 6 counties back now? I feel like NI may want to move to some kind of hybrid option where they have a foot in both camps and on both islands. Kind of like they have now but with a more refined/formal definition.