Scottish and Irish Independence
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Ayresomes_on_Fire
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Wont happen. Like last time more people actually oppose independence or just don't speak up about opposing it.
Will be just like last time, lost of tartan anger shouting to be free when the intelligent ones who know what a shitstorm it would be keep quiet and just vote no.
Scotland going independent would make Brexit look like a tea party.
Will be just like last time, lost of tartan anger shouting to be free when the intelligent ones who know what a shitstorm it would be keep quiet and just vote no.
Scotland going independent would make Brexit look like a tea party.
atypical_boro
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Its a totally different proposition this time.
It used to be a no-brainer that they were better in the UK and in the EU.
Now they have to literally choose between the two, and it isn't a no-brainer by any means. If anything its the other way.
Northern Ireland not so clear cut, but plenty of debate about it upcoming.
Subbuteo_171
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Was only 7 years ago they voted No, do they keep going until they say yes? Once a generation vote as well apparently.
Lefty
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Maybe, but it was close last time and I don't think anyone would argue that Brexit and the way Scotland have been treated since 2014 has increased support for the Union. The way the likes of Alyn Smith envisage the future relationship, which is reasonable and mature, I think I'd vote for that if I were Scottish. I do think the future relationship should be largely ironed out before it was voted on mind you.
Konrad_the_Barbarian
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So you think they'd choose to be both out of the UK AND out of the EU ?
Lefty
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Things change.
Lefty
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They would rejoin the EU.
Ayresomes_on_Fire
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It was close last time, it wont be close next time. Believe me, most Scottish people don't want independence.
Subbuteo_171
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The definition of a generation clearly has.
Anton_Berg
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Not much mention of Northern Ireland?
Lefty
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Your personal knowledge is more reliable than a succession of polls?
C
Cooper671
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Latest poll i seen had 49% in favour with 4% undecided. So all to play for really by no means a landslide
Ayresomes_on_Fire
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Having lived and worked in Scotland since 1982 I think I've managed to get the jist of where a referendum may go.
Most polls are answered but the staunch Independence crowd who dont really understand the meaning of leaving the union, its predominately an anti English stance, a bit like Brexit and immigration. Most people do and want to stay.
The same unanswered questions from last time remain unanswered. The only thing that has changed is the leader.
Lefty
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Well, the Smith commission Report, published two months after Indyref1, said explicitly "nothing in this report prevents Scotland becoming an independent country in the future should the people of Scotland so choose".
There were many promises made to the people of Scotland in Indyref 1 and it is fair to conclude that votes cast were conditional. If those conditions haven't been met then another vote isn't unreasonable.
Lefty
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This poll shows 49% and 7% don't know.
Lefty
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It isn't the only thing. They have had 6 years to ascertain whether Westminster was speaking with fork tongue in 2014.
Hicktonpen10
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Sturgeon may not be the leader if she is found to have mislead parliament
Ayresomes_on_Fire
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True but that wont sway things to independence. I reckon 60/40 in favour of staying with the union.