Scottish and Irish Independence

Good luck to our Scottish comrades. If I was Scottish I would be pushing for and voting for Independence.

And for everyone saying it will be a disaster for them and they will be worse off out of the Union - it didn't put them Brexiteers off did it?

You reap what you sow England... you reap what you sow...
 
The SNP have pulled a blinder convincing people Scotland is run by the Tories. Everything except defence is organised, ran and decisions made in Edinburgh. Any policy mess or government failure is the SNP, but they dodge critics by blaming Westminster.

If another referendum is held, I just don't see how the SNP can solve the biggest issue last time; currency. If they continue using Sterling, their main bank is the Bank of England. How can that be independence if a foreign bank is setting monetary policy?

In addition, the SNP creating a narrative that Scottish Oil would create some utopia. That was based on a long gone price of Brent at approximately $90.
 
MolteniArcore said:
Good luck to our Scottish comrades. If I was Scottish I would be pushing for and voting for Independence.

And for everyone saying it will be a disaster for them and they will be worse off out of the Union - it didn't put them Brexiteers off did it?

You reap what you sow England... you reap what you sow...
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But isn't it strange they want to divorce from their closest friends , the English for independence but be ruled by a collection of beaurocrats. Very odd.
 
BoroBosco said:
Problem with the EU is that when the people said they didn't want to travel down that road (rejection of EU constitution) they just ignored them & carried on regardless (Lisbon treaty) and this time denying the people a chance to object (other than the Irish of course who they made vote again because they didn't come up with the right answer first time round).
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Not true Bosco- but don't let facts get in the way eh
 
Nero said:
The SNP have pulled a blinder convincing people Scotland is run by the Tories. Everything except defence is organised, ran and decisions made in Edinburgh. Any policy mess or government failure is the SNP, but they dodge critics by blaming Westminster.

If another referendum is held, I just don't see how the SNP can solve the biggest issue last time; currency. If they continue using Sterling, their main bank is the Bank of England. How can that be independence if a foreign bank is setting monetary policy?

In addition, the SNP creating a narrative that Scottish Oil would create some utopia. That was based on a long gone price of Brent at approximately $90.
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They don't run foreign policy, haven't got tax raising powers either. Can't organise a monetary policy.

Far less control in Scotland than Westminster had in the EU.
 
HundredRoom said:
But isn't it strange they want to divorce from their closest friends , the English for independence but be ruled by a collection of beaurocrats. Very odd.
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I was not aware that the UK is ruled by civil servants, which is what you are implying.
 
LaPennaBianca said:
They don't run foreign policy, haven't got tax raising powers either. Can't organise a monetary policy.

Far less control in Scotland than Westminster had in the EU.
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If they can't raised taxes how come Scots I worked with paid more income tax than I did? Fair enough on Foreign Policy.
 
HundredRoom said:
But isn't it strange they want to divorce from their closest friends , the English for independence but be ruled by a collection of beaurocrats. Very odd.
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I don't think England is Scotland's closest friend. The UK Government is also a collection of bureaucrats, and the Scots could well argue that the majority of the UK parliament is not voted for by them.

It's so funny that Brexit luvvies are all for the break up of a union until someone wants to leave them :LOL: yet they still can't admit they were lied to. The Scots have seen straight through the BS. Fair play to them(y)
 
Trug said:
Not true Bosco- but don't let facts get in the way eh
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So what are the facts Trug?

Doesn't the Treaty of Lisbon, along with alterations to some existing treaties, mirror the proposed EU constitution?
Giscard d'Estaing thought it did

Did any country other than Ireland get to vote on Lisbon?

Didn't the Irish have a second vote on Lisbon having rejected it first time round?
 
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BoroBosco said:
So what are the facts Trug?

Doesn't the Treaty of Lisbon, along with alterations to some existing treaties, mirror the proposed EU constitution?

Did any country other than Ireland get to vote on Lisbon?

Didn't the Irish have a second vote on Lisbon having rejected it first time round?
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The Irish government put the Treaty of Lisbon before the Irish people. The Irish people rejected it. The Irish government asked their MPs to find out why it was rejected. The Irish MPs duly asked their constituents the question. The constituents told their MPs what they wanted. The MPs went back to the Irish government with the feedback. The Irish government then went back to the EU and told them what the Irish people had said. The EU amended the Lisbon treaty to reflect the views of the Irish people. T Irish government then put the amended proposed treaty to their people. The people accepted the amendments and voted for the new treaty.
Ireland is a sovereign nation and exercised their sovereignty in this instance. That is something any EU memberhas a right to do.
When the Lisbon treaty was proposed the then British PM (Major?) , when pressed, refused point blank to have a referedum. That's it in a nutshell.
 
MolteniArcore said:
I don't think England is Scotland's closest friend. The UK Government is also a collection of bureaucrats, and the Scots could well argue that the majority of the UK parliament is not voted for by them.

It's so funny that Brexit luvvies are all for the break up of a union until someone wants to leave them :LOL: yet they still can't admit they were lied to. The Scots have seen straight through the BS. Fair play to them(y)
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I don't think the staunchest pro EU advocate would argue that the EU is less bureaucratic than the UK.
But I have feeling someone will tell me otherwise
 
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