Scientoligists

Muttley said:
Well there's piece one gone...

You seem to view Science as an alternative to Religion.
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Perhaps you could explain how all of the universe is travelling away from one point in space and time.?
This should be interesting.
Man created god not the other way round.
 
Borothruandthru said:
Perhaps you could explain how all of the universe is travelling away from one point in space and time.?
This should be interesting.
Man created god not the other way round.
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Well firstly it isn't all travelling away from one point there are some anomalous clusters. Secondly, "Big Bang" is a theory. It isn't fact. It isn't agreed by the whole scientific community and there are some flaws in the theory which may require refinement.

One big problem with the theory is the Big Bang model does not describe how energy, time, and space were caused.
 
Muttley said:
Well firstly it isn't all travelling away from one point there are some anomalous clusters. Secondly, "Big Bang" is a theory. It isn't fact. It isn't agreed by the whole scientific community and there are some flaws in the theory which may require refinement.

One big problem with the theory is the Big Bang model does not describe how energy, time, and space were caused.
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All of science is theory. That's one of the beauties of it.
 
Muttley said:
Well firstly it isn't all travelling away from one point there are some anomalous clusters. Secondly, "Big Bang" is a theory. It isn't fact. It isn't agreed by the whole scientific community and there are some flaws in the theory which may require refinement.

One big problem with the theory is the Big Bang model does not describe how energy, time, and space were caused.
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The big bang is fact.
You can see it if you stare far enough into space. The micro cosmic radiation from 13.6 million years ago.
When we gaze at the sun you are seeing it as it was 8 minutes ago.
 
Borothruandthru said:
The big bang is fact.
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No it isn't. It is a theory.

Unless we invent time travel that is all it will ever be.

Wikipedia Article - The Big Bang Theory.

There are problems with it. The first of which I have already stated. Energy, time, and space make up our universe. As you say as we look out from this little blue rock we can see back in time. But what caused energy, time, and space to exist?
 
Borothruandthru said:
Ah I'm not having this.
I'll break down your argument piece by piece.
The big bang isnt a theory it's the truth.
Before the big bang there was no space but a dense singularity.
Science is the truth. They dont assert things like religion, they test the finding like the Higgs boson particle hundreds of times before they say yes weve found it.
The earth is doomed even without human influence .The sun will get too hot and expand as the fuel runs out in a few million years time. Fact.
Gravity may be slowing down the expansion of the cosmos but black holes which are infinite gravity seem to recycle matter into future big bangs and new universes. The multiverse theory.
Believing in god without any evidence goes against rational thinking.
Science has for instance proved that praying is a waste of time through controlled experiments hundreds of times.
Conscience is in the physical brain . That's why when people get dementia they stop functioning. No spirit to override the illness.
Finally, Several physicists claiming atheists are ignoring scientific method vs how many thousand scientists who think otherwise.
Amen
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You link me a single article that defined the law of the big bang and I'll apologise for treating the rest of your post with the scorn it deserves.

There are very few laws in physics because science realises its not the truth that's why it had thousands of theories and just a few laws.

The big bang is the best theory we have at the minute. We see images from the day edge of the Universe that we suspect is light created just after the Big bang. It isn't a fact.

Conscience is seated in the brain is it? Cool I didn't know that. How does it work?

The multiverse theory doesn't come from black holes it arises from the maths of wave./particle duality and it is based solely on the fact that the maths is probably wrong and scientists generally accept that we don't have the maths to describe the quantum world so again bang goes your science as truth.

Using that level of understanding to discount a god is pretty comical.
 
Well if you imagine all of the matter in our universe being compressed ,at one time before space existed , the size of a cricket ball then it exploded because of the excessive pressure. Theres your energy.
Life was created from water on our planet anyway and evolved as Darwin proved.
Only the Americans refer to Darwin as a theory so as not to upset religious nuts.
 
Laughing said:
You link me a single article that defined the law of the big bang and I'll apologise for treating the rest of your post with the scorn it deserves.

There are very few laws in physics because science realises its not the truth that's why it had thousands of theories and just a few laws.

The big bang is the best theory we have at the minute. We see images from the day edge of the Universe that we suspect is light created just after the Big bang. It isn't a fact.

Conscience is seated in the brain is it? Cool I didn't know that. How does it work?

The multiverse theory doesn't come from black holes it arises from the maths of wave./particle duality and it is based solely on the fact that the maths is probably wrong and scientists generally accept that we don't have the maths to describe the quantum world so again bang goes your science as truth.

Using that level of understanding to discount a god is pretty comical.
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The way you think is very jumbled.
Discounting god is easy no evidence.
 
Borothruandthru said:
Well if you imagine all of the matter in our universe being compressed ,at one time before space existed , the size of a cricket ball then it exploded because of the excessive pressure. Theres your energy.
Life was created from water on our planet anyway and evolved as Darwin proved.
Only the Americans refer to Darwin as a theory so as not to upset religious nuts.
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Honestly you need to understand science and scientific method before you start using it as a stick to beat religion with. This is why I said you are using Science in place of Religion, you plainly don't understand how it works so are quoting it as an article of your faith.
 
Borothruandthru said:
The way you think is very jumbled.
Discounting god is easy no evidence.
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Again a basic misunderstanding of scientific method. You never, in science, discount something until you have proved it. Proving a negative is impossible so science just ignores the god question. Plenty of scientists believe in God.
 
Muttley said:
Honestly you need to understand science and scientific method before you start using it as a stick to beat religion with. This is why I said you are using Science in place of Religion, you plainly don't understand how it works so are quoting it as an article of your faith.
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bull****
 
Laughing said:
Again a basic misunderstanding of scientific method. You never, in science, discount something until you have proved it. Proving a negative is impossible so science just ignores the god question. Plenty of scientists believe in God.
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Scientific theories look at the evidence as a starting point. Religion doesnt . Believe what we say, yeh right.
 
Laughing said:
Again a basic misunderstanding of scientific method. You never, in science, discount something until you have proved it. Proving a negative is impossible so science just ignores the god question. Plenty of scientists believe in God.
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If scientific conditions were right for gods to exist there would be millions of gods.
There isnt just one of anything in the universe
 
Muttley said:
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I'm not defending religion just pointing out that you plainly do not understand science or the scientific method.
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Laughing said:
Again a basic misunderstanding of scientific method. You never, in science, discount something until you have proved it. Proving a negative is impossible so science just ignores the god question. Plenty of scientists believe in God.
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Plenty more dont.
 
Borothruandthru said:
If scientific conditions were right for gods to exist there would be millions of gods.
There isnt just one of anything in the universe
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Was Schrodinger's cat alive or dead? That is the question of when exactly quantum superposition ends and reality resolves into one possibility or the other.
 
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